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in Antwort ч.Ворон 09.12.07 12:31, Zuletzt geändert 09.12.07 13:58 (OnkelArtus)
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Свою безысходную борьбу с арабами за клочок пустыни хотят изо всех сил нарисовать как борьбу форпоста светлых сил против сил зла. Попытки разжечь мировую войну только для того, чтобы не договариваться с арабами?! Большинство на западе хорошо просекло эту игру, поэтому и не встают под знамёна воителей с "мировым злом".
Свою безысходную борьбу с арабами за клочок пустыни хотят изо всех сил нарисовать как борьбу форпоста светлых сил против сил зла. Попытки разжечь мировую войну только для того, чтобы не договариваться с арабами?! Большинство на западе хорошо просекло эту игру, поэтому и не встают под знамёна воителей с "мировым злом".
Если бы в этих песчаных регионах не имелась бы нефть, то возня в пустыне, скорее всего, никого бы не интересовала. С другой стороны запад, скорее всего, смог бы договориться с теми, кто живет поверх запасов нефти, не будь этой возни в известном пустынном регионе.
В общем, ситуация довольно амбивалентная.
Достаточно вспомнить, что к началу 20 века ислам практически не играл никакой роли. Во всех мусульманских странах у власти находились про западные политики, получившие образования в лучших вузах Европы.
В Иране, например, муллы играли примерно такую же роль, как в советском Казахстане. Вся элита была про западной и про европейской!
США свергли законное правительство Ирана и дали зеленый свет Исламу.
То же самое наблюдалось и в других регионах мира.
Все это делалось в контексте борьбы с коммунизмом, на самом деле речь шла о ресурсах.
Начет этого имеется хороший аналитический материал на ABC
Ниже приводятся некоторые цитаты из данного аналитического обзора.
Так Англия бессовестно грабила Иран:
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So all the oil that the British used to power their industrial growth during the 1920s and '30s and '40s, came from Iran. All the oil that the Royal Navy used to project British power all over the world, came from Iran. It was a vital resource that allowed the people of Britain to live at the standard of living they enjoyed all during that period. At the same time, the Iranians who were sitting on this ocean of oil were living in what were some of the lowest and most miserable standards of living in the world. So you had this terrible disconnect of British power being fuelled quite literally by oil from Iran, but Iranians not being able to profit at all because of this hugely unequal treaty that had been signed years earlier under the old Qajar Shah.
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So it appears, as many Iranian analysts thought, although none were ever allowed to look at the books, that even the 15% they were sending was 15% after the government had already taxed something like 80% of the company's income, and just taken it into the Treasury. So no-one really knows how much the British paid, but it's clear that was a very tiny fraction of the actual value of the oil?
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/rearvision/stories/2007/2046210.htm
So all the oil that the British used to power their industrial growth during the 1920s and '30s and '40s, came from Iran. All the oil that the Royal Navy used to project British power all over the world, came from Iran. It was a vital resource that allowed the people of Britain to live at the standard of living they enjoyed all during that period. At the same time, the Iranians who were sitting on this ocean of oil were living in what were some of the lowest and most miserable standards of living in the world. So you had this terrible disconnect of British power being fuelled quite literally by oil from Iran, but Iranians not being able to profit at all because of this hugely unequal treaty that had been signed years earlier under the old Qajar Shah.
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So it appears, as many Iranian analysts thought, although none were ever allowed to look at the books, that even the 15% they were sending was 15% after the government had already taxed something like 80% of the company's income, and just taken it into the Treasury. So no-one really knows how much the British paid, but it's clear that was a very tiny fraction of the actual value of the oil?
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/rearvision/stories/2007/2046210.htm
Такой была политическая ситуация в Иране до путча, устроенного ЦРУ:
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So the young Shah was only 21 years old at the time, he had a very weak personality, he was a very brooding figure, and not at all decisive, and that remained the case up until the Mossadeq era, he was not a dominant, powerful monarch. He was something more than a constitutional monarch -- let's say the sort that Britain has now -- but he was not the kind of strong dominant monarch that he later became. And so in this period from 1941 until Mossadeq became Prime Minister, in 1951, this is a period of, I wouldn't really call it democracy, but I would certainly call it pluralism, when there was very wide open political activity in Iran. Very quickly, during World War II, lots of different political parties emerged, lots of different newspapers emerged, the parliament quickly became a very dynamic body. It was a real period of political ferment.
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This was the period that every political formation in Iran, from the royalists to the communists -- even the fascist party -- they were all active. Organising, publishing, debating, demonstrating, so it was chaotic but nevertheless it was an experience of democratic politics that Iranians had never had. And Mossadeq emerged as the most popular and the most trusted leader of the nationalist liberal forces in Iran. He was a Swiss-educated lawyer and yet he was deeply connected with Iranian culture and in folk ways.
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/rearvision/stories/2007/2046210.htm
So the young Shah was only 21 years old at the time, he had a very weak personality, he was a very brooding figure, and not at all decisive, and that remained the case up until the Mossadeq era, he was not a dominant, powerful monarch. He was something more than a constitutional monarch -- let's say the sort that Britain has now -- but he was not the kind of strong dominant monarch that he later became. And so in this period from 1941 until Mossadeq became Prime Minister, in 1951, this is a period of, I wouldn't really call it democracy, but I would certainly call it pluralism, when there was very wide open political activity in Iran. Very quickly, during World War II, lots of different political parties emerged, lots of different newspapers emerged, the parliament quickly became a very dynamic body. It was a real period of political ferment.
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This was the period that every political formation in Iran, from the royalists to the communists -- even the fascist party -- they were all active. Organising, publishing, debating, demonstrating, so it was chaotic but nevertheless it was an experience of democratic politics that Iranians had never had. And Mossadeq emerged as the most popular and the most trusted leader of the nationalist liberal forces in Iran. He was a Swiss-educated lawyer and yet he was deeply connected with Iranian culture and in folk ways.
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/rearvision/stories/2007/2046210.htm
ЦРУ опиралoсь на помощь мулл и преступников, чтобы свергнуть Моссадека. В ход было пущено все, даже был пущен слух, что Моссадек гомик, коммунист и еврей:
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Kermit Roosevelt was a fascinating character. He really was a true-life James Bond, and when it was decided that the United States would overthrow Mossadeq, he was the guy that the CIA turned to.
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But the idea of deposing Mossadeq through a vote of No Confidence never panned out. So Kermit Roosevelt went off and did other things with his money. For example, he bribed mullahs, the religious leaders in Iran, to begin denouncing Mossadeq from the pulpit as an atheist, or non-believer, which was not true as Mossadeq was a devout Twelver Shi'ite. He bribed newspaper editors and reporters, to the point where he had 80% of the Iranian press in his payroll. And what that meant was that every day, Iranians would wake up to news reports and commentaries about how Mossadeq was Jewish, he was homosexual, he was a British agent, just about anything bad you could think of, would show up day after day in practically every newspaper in Tehran. So by the spreading around of money, Kermit Roosevelt was immediately going to change the public tenor and view of Mossadeq.
He also bribed commanders of military and police units so they would be ready to help on the day that he struck against Mossadeq. One of the things that he did -- perhaps this was his most masterful idea --he went to the Tehran bazaar, where there was a group of thugs operating under a very colourful leader named Shabaan the Brainless. And he hired Shabaan, who actually is still alive and living in California, and Shabaan's job was: Get together the biggest group of thugs and gangsters you can find; we're going to pay every one of them. Find every adult male who wants to be a gangster for a day and hire them. And what your job is, (and this is exactly what this gang did for several days in Tehran) run through the streets wildly, smash shop windows, fire guns into mosques and then shout 'We love Communism and Mossadeq'.
So he created this mob that was very violent, that was posing as thugs for Mossadeq. But that wasn't all. Roosevelt went one step further: he hired another mob to attack that mob, the idea being he wanted to create the image, in the minds of ordinary Iranians, that Iran was in chaos.
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They organised a crowd. It marched from southern Tehran up into the central area of the city. Gradually other Iranians joined these crowds, and at the same time certain military units that were supporting the coup took certain steps. They went and attacked Mossadeq's home and had a long military battle with loyalist forces there; they seized a radio station, seized certain key intersections and places like that. And eventually during the course of the day, both with the crowds in the streets and the military units, the coup forces managed to prevail. Mossadeq was forced to flee out of his house, he hid for a day or two and eventually gave himself up, and the pro-Mossadeq forces were just overwhelmed. And by the end of the day, on the 19th, the coup forces had succeeded.
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/rearvision/stories/2007/2046210.htm
Kermit Roosevelt was a fascinating character. He really was a true-life James Bond, and when it was decided that the United States would overthrow Mossadeq, he was the guy that the CIA turned to.
...
But the idea of deposing Mossadeq through a vote of No Confidence never panned out. So Kermit Roosevelt went off and did other things with his money. For example, he bribed mullahs, the religious leaders in Iran, to begin denouncing Mossadeq from the pulpit as an atheist, or non-believer, which was not true as Mossadeq was a devout Twelver Shi'ite. He bribed newspaper editors and reporters, to the point where he had 80% of the Iranian press in his payroll. And what that meant was that every day, Iranians would wake up to news reports and commentaries about how Mossadeq was Jewish, he was homosexual, he was a British agent, just about anything bad you could think of, would show up day after day in practically every newspaper in Tehran. So by the spreading around of money, Kermit Roosevelt was immediately going to change the public tenor and view of Mossadeq.
He also bribed commanders of military and police units so they would be ready to help on the day that he struck against Mossadeq. One of the things that he did -- perhaps this was his most masterful idea --he went to the Tehran bazaar, where there was a group of thugs operating under a very colourful leader named Shabaan the Brainless. And he hired Shabaan, who actually is still alive and living in California, and Shabaan's job was: Get together the biggest group of thugs and gangsters you can find; we're going to pay every one of them. Find every adult male who wants to be a gangster for a day and hire them. And what your job is, (and this is exactly what this gang did for several days in Tehran) run through the streets wildly, smash shop windows, fire guns into mosques and then shout 'We love Communism and Mossadeq'.
So he created this mob that was very violent, that was posing as thugs for Mossadeq. But that wasn't all. Roosevelt went one step further: he hired another mob to attack that mob, the idea being he wanted to create the image, in the minds of ordinary Iranians, that Iran was in chaos.
...
They organised a crowd. It marched from southern Tehran up into the central area of the city. Gradually other Iranians joined these crowds, and at the same time certain military units that were supporting the coup took certain steps. They went and attacked Mossadeq's home and had a long military battle with loyalist forces there; they seized a radio station, seized certain key intersections and places like that. And eventually during the course of the day, both with the crowds in the streets and the military units, the coup forces managed to prevail. Mossadeq was forced to flee out of his house, he hid for a day or two and eventually gave himself up, and the pro-Mossadeq forces were just overwhelmed. And by the end of the day, on the 19th, the coup forces had succeeded.
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/rearvision/stories/2007/2046210.htm
И вот причины исламской революции в Иране:
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The Shah ruled with increasing repression for 25 years, his repression produced the explosion of the late 1970s in Iran, what we called the Islamic Revolution. That revolution brought to power a clique of fanatically anti-Western clerics who have spent the last 25 years intensely and sometimes very violently working to undermine western interests all over the world. That 1979 Islamic Revolution also inspired Muslim fundamentalists in many countries, including next-door Afghanistan, where a radical regime then came to power and gave sanctuary to Osama bin Laden, with the results we all know. So this is an example of many American operations which seemed to go well at first, but only now, decades later when we look back and see how badly they actually turned out.
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/rearvision/stories/2007/2046210.htm
The Shah ruled with increasing repression for 25 years, his repression produced the explosion of the late 1970s in Iran, what we called the Islamic Revolution. That revolution brought to power a clique of fanatically anti-Western clerics who have spent the last 25 years intensely and sometimes very violently working to undermine western interests all over the world. That 1979 Islamic Revolution also inspired Muslim fundamentalists in many countries, including next-door Afghanistan, where a radical regime then came to power and gave sanctuary to Osama bin Laden, with the results we all know. So this is an example of many American operations which seemed to go well at first, but only now, decades later when we look back and see how badly they actually turned out.
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/rearvision/stories/2007/2046210.htm
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