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в ответ wittness 07.11.07 22:24
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Израиль технологии не импортировал и соответственно не подписывал ничего.
Израиль технологии не импортировал и соответственно не подписывал ничего.
И откуда у Израиля ядерные технологии взялись? От сырости? Так в пустыне и с сыростью туго, не то, что с технологиями.

Если Израиль официально не импортировал технологий, то это еще не значит, что он в пустыне сам изобрел велосипед.
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By the Suez crisis in 1956, according to the preleminary Protocol of Sèvres, France agreed to help Israel build a nuclear reactor and reprocessing plant near Dimona which used natural uranium moderated by heavy water. Plutonium production started in about 1964. Top secret British documents obtained by BBC Newsnight show that Britain made hundreds of secret shipments of restricted materials to Israel in the 1950s and 1960s. These included specialist chemicals for reprocessing and samples of fissile material—uranium-235 in 1959, and plutonium in 1966, as well as highly enriched lithium-6 which is used to boost fission bombs and fuel hydrogen bombs. The investigation also showed that Britain shipped 20 tons of heavy water directly to Israel in 1959 and 1960 to start up the Dimona reactor. The transaction was made through a Norwegian front company called Noratom which took a 2% commission on the transaction. Britain was challenged about the heavy water deal at the International Atomic Energy Agency after it was exposed on Newsnight in 2005. British Foreign Minister Kim Howells hid behind the Noratom contract and claimed this was a sale to Norway. But a former British intelligence officer who investigated the deal at the time confirmed that this was really a sale to Israel and the Noratom contract was just a charade.[10] The Foreign Office finally admitted in March 2006 that Britain knew the destination was Israel all along.[11]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
By the Suez crisis in 1956, according to the preleminary Protocol of Sèvres, France agreed to help Israel build a nuclear reactor and reprocessing plant near Dimona which used natural uranium moderated by heavy water. Plutonium production started in about 1964. Top secret British documents obtained by BBC Newsnight show that Britain made hundreds of secret shipments of restricted materials to Israel in the 1950s and 1960s. These included specialist chemicals for reprocessing and samples of fissile material—uranium-235 in 1959, and plutonium in 1966, as well as highly enriched lithium-6 which is used to boost fission bombs and fuel hydrogen bombs. The investigation also showed that Britain shipped 20 tons of heavy water directly to Israel in 1959 and 1960 to start up the Dimona reactor. The transaction was made through a Norwegian front company called Noratom which took a 2% commission on the transaction. Britain was challenged about the heavy water deal at the International Atomic Energy Agency after it was exposed on Newsnight in 2005. British Foreign Minister Kim Howells hid behind the Noratom contract and claimed this was a sale to Norway. But a former British intelligence officer who investigated the deal at the time confirmed that this was really a sale to Israel and the Noratom contract was just a charade.[10] The Foreign Office finally admitted in March 2006 that Britain knew the destination was Israel all along.[11]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
Т.е. Запад "из под полы" поставлял Израилю ядерные технологии, не требуя от него никаких подписей под договорами.
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Иран технологию импортирует, причем весьма интенсивно, потому и договора соответствуюшие подписал и соблюдать обязан.
Иран технологию импортирует, причем весьма интенсивно, потому и договора соответствуюшие подписал и соблюдать обязан.
Ну, во-первых, Ирану атомную технологию американцы, можно сказать, навязали, чтобы Иран больше нефти продавал и меньше потреблял.
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The foundations for Iran's nuclear program were laid after a 1953, бCIA-supported coup deposed democratically-elected Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh and brought Shah (King) Mohammad Reza Pahlavi to power.[13] By 1957, the West judged the regime sufficiently stable and friendly that nuclear proliferation would not become a threat.
That year, a civil nuclear co-operation program was established under the U.S. Atoms for Peace programme. In 1967, the Tehran Nuclear Research Center (TNRC) was established, run by the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran (AEOI). The TNRC was equipped with a U.S.-supplied, 5-megawatt nuclear research reactor, which became operational in 1967 and was fueled by highly enriched uranium.[14] Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in 1968 and ratified it in 1970.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran
The foundations for Iran's nuclear program were laid after a 1953, бCIA-supported coup deposed democratically-elected Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh and brought Shah (King) Mohammad Reza Pahlavi to power.[13] By 1957, the West judged the regime sufficiently stable and friendly that nuclear proliferation would not become a threat.
That year, a civil nuclear co-operation program was established under the U.S. Atoms for Peace programme. In 1967, the Tehran Nuclear Research Center (TNRC) was established, run by the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran (AEOI). The TNRC was equipped with a U.S.-supplied, 5-megawatt nuclear research reactor, which became operational in 1967 and was fueled by highly enriched uranium.[14] Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in 1968 and ratified it in 1970.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran
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* Чтобы захватить иранскую нефть, ЦРУ в 1953 году устроило грязный путч в Иране. Американцы свергли демократически избранного президента Ирана и поставила во главе Ирана свою марионетку, средневекового деспота. Кстати, чтобы свергнуть законно избранного президента, ЦРУ пришлось опереться на поддержку мулл. До этого муллы в Иране никакой власти не имели.
*США уже в конце 50х подарили своей иранской марионетке ядерные технологии. То есть, никаких договоров от Ирана тогда не требовалось. Договор о нераспространении Иран подписал только лишь в 1968 году и ратифицировал этот договор в 1970 г.
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The story of Iran's interest in nuclear technology goes back to the 1950s. Iran was then being led by the young Shah, who had been installed in power in 1953 after a CIA-led coup against the elected government of Mohamad Mossadeq. The then US President, Dwight Eisenhower, who had sanctioned the coup, introduced a program called Atoms for Peace. Mohammad Sahimi is Professor and Chairman of Chemical and Petroleum Engineering at the University of Southern California.
Mohammad Sahimi: In the late 1950s the administration of President Dwight Eisenhower, developed a program called Atoms for Peace and by which the United States intended to share its nuclear technology with developing countries like Iran, for peaceful uses of nuclear energy. At that time the government of the Shah of Iran and the US Administration signed a treaty by which the US would help Iran to set up a nuclear program.
Then in the 1960s the United States sold Iran a research nuclear reactor, a 5 megawatt reactor that was installed at Tehran Nuclear Research Centre at Harass Tehran University. That was in 1967 and that's how Iran's nuclear program actually started.
Annabelle Quince: It was two decades till the program took off, with the assistance of a number of people who are now senior figures in the Bush Administration.
Mohammad Sahimi: The drive for Iran's nuclear program did not actually start before 1973 when we had the Arab-Israeli war. After that war, the oil price went up dramatically and therefore Iran's income from its oil exports increased dramatically. At that time the Shah of Iran declared that oil was too expensive and too good to just burn it to generate energy and he wanted to look for other types of energy sources. And right after that, the United States started talking to the Shah to the US Ambassador in Tehran, Richard Helms, persuading him to go after nuclear energy. But the main driving force behind the program was actually the administration of Henry Kissinger, and also Donald Rumsfeld, the present Defence Secretary, Dick Cheney, the present Vice President was Chief of Staff at that time, and even Paul Wolfowitz who was the Deputy Secretary of Defence a couple of years ago, they all played their role in persuading the Shah of Iran to go after nuclear industry.
Annabelle Quince: What was to be gained on both sides? What was Iran hoping to get out of nuclear energy? What did they want to do with it? And what did America gain? Why were they trying to push a nuclear industry onto Iran?
Mohammad Sahimi: Well for Iran, it would allow it to export oil and not burn oil domestically to generate energy, and at the same time for the US, since the price of oil had gone up and the United States was spending a lot more money to import oil, it would have been very beneficial to the US economy to develop a huge market for its nuclear industry in Iran, because Iran and the United States signed an agreement by which Iran would buy eight nuclear reactors worth $15-billion, and remember we are talking about $15-billion 30 years ago, which means a lot more in present dollars.
Annabelle Quince: But did the Shah of Iran intend to develop a nuclear weapons program?
Mohammad Sahimi: Since the Shah of Iran was a close ally of the United States, the United States did not mind if the Shah even went after nuclear weapons, in fact the Shah did declare at some point that Iran was going to develop a nuclear weapon and there are documents that indicate that the Shah of Iran was secretly doing some research on how to use plutonium to make a nuclear bomb and the US actually was aware of it, but did not protest or mind at that time.
[...]
Annabelle Quince: Iran's attempts to revitalise its nuclear program were frustrated by United States sanctions. The distrust had begun with the overthrow of the Shah, and intensified with the Iran hostage crisis, when for 444 days, 66 US citizens were held hostage in Tehran.
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/rearvision/stories/2007/2051635.htm
The story of Iran's interest in nuclear technology goes back to the 1950s. Iran was then being led by the young Shah, who had been installed in power in 1953 after a CIA-led coup against the elected government of Mohamad Mossadeq. The then US President, Dwight Eisenhower, who had sanctioned the coup, introduced a program called Atoms for Peace. Mohammad Sahimi is Professor and Chairman of Chemical and Petroleum Engineering at the University of Southern California.
Mohammad Sahimi: In the late 1950s the administration of President Dwight Eisenhower, developed a program called Atoms for Peace and by which the United States intended to share its nuclear technology with developing countries like Iran, for peaceful uses of nuclear energy. At that time the government of the Shah of Iran and the US Administration signed a treaty by which the US would help Iran to set up a nuclear program.
Then in the 1960s the United States sold Iran a research nuclear reactor, a 5 megawatt reactor that was installed at Tehran Nuclear Research Centre at Harass Tehran University. That was in 1967 and that's how Iran's nuclear program actually started.
Annabelle Quince: It was two decades till the program took off, with the assistance of a number of people who are now senior figures in the Bush Administration.
Mohammad Sahimi: The drive for Iran's nuclear program did not actually start before 1973 when we had the Arab-Israeli war. After that war, the oil price went up dramatically and therefore Iran's income from its oil exports increased dramatically. At that time the Shah of Iran declared that oil was too expensive and too good to just burn it to generate energy and he wanted to look for other types of energy sources. And right after that, the United States started talking to the Shah to the US Ambassador in Tehran, Richard Helms, persuading him to go after nuclear energy. But the main driving force behind the program was actually the administration of Henry Kissinger, and also Donald Rumsfeld, the present Defence Secretary, Dick Cheney, the present Vice President was Chief of Staff at that time, and even Paul Wolfowitz who was the Deputy Secretary of Defence a couple of years ago, they all played their role in persuading the Shah of Iran to go after nuclear industry.
Annabelle Quince: What was to be gained on both sides? What was Iran hoping to get out of nuclear energy? What did they want to do with it? And what did America gain? Why were they trying to push a nuclear industry onto Iran?
Mohammad Sahimi: Well for Iran, it would allow it to export oil and not burn oil domestically to generate energy, and at the same time for the US, since the price of oil had gone up and the United States was spending a lot more money to import oil, it would have been very beneficial to the US economy to develop a huge market for its nuclear industry in Iran, because Iran and the United States signed an agreement by which Iran would buy eight nuclear reactors worth $15-billion, and remember we are talking about $15-billion 30 years ago, which means a lot more in present dollars.
Annabelle Quince: But did the Shah of Iran intend to develop a nuclear weapons program?
Mohammad Sahimi: Since the Shah of Iran was a close ally of the United States, the United States did not mind if the Shah even went after nuclear weapons, in fact the Shah did declare at some point that Iran was going to develop a nuclear weapon and there are documents that indicate that the Shah of Iran was secretly doing some research on how to use plutonium to make a nuclear bomb and the US actually was aware of it, but did not protest or mind at that time.
[...]
Annabelle Quince: Iran's attempts to revitalise its nuclear program were frustrated by United States sanctions. The distrust had begun with the overthrow of the Shah, and intensified with the Iran hostage crisis, when for 444 days, 66 US citizens were held hostage in Tehran.
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/rearvision/stories/2007/2051635.htm
Американцы знали, что Шах собирается производить ядерное оружие, но они на это просто закрыли глаза. Если бы американская марионетка осталась бы у власти в Иране, то Иран имел бы, как и Израиль, Пакистан или Индия, ядерное оружие и никто бы не устраивал по этому поводу спектакля.
А сегодня спектакль устраивается по поводу того, что Иран может ТЕОРЕТИЧЕСКИ когда ни будь создать ядерное оружие.
Видите, я в пух и прах разбил Вашу аргументацию. Попробуйте что-нибудь по -ригинальнее.
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