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в ответ scorpi_ 25.06.03 14:10
Пардон, я действительно переоценил вклад русских немцев в общий плавильный котел США. 
Это может быть потому, что "Russian Germans in the USA" активнее, чем остальные пользуются интернетом и создали солидные базы данных, которыми могут пользоваться все русские немцы.
Амeры сделали для сохранения памяти о наших предках больше, чем наше землячество в Германии.
Michael Miller из ND меня буквально закидал информацией, я уже не успеваю отвечать на все постинги из США.
По словам Миллера (он приезжал на встречу в Штуттгарте) он никогда даже не ожидал, что его инициатива вызовет такой резонанс в среде потомков └Russian Germans⌠.
Я одно время участвовал в работе AHSGR, но сейчас, к сожалению, на такие дела времени почти не остается.
Hу а от нашего землячества в Штуттгарте я только иногда получаю счета двухгодичной давности, которые я якобы не уплатил.
Хорошо, что квитанции не выбросил, смог доказать, что счет пришел по ошибке. Но за это даже никто не извинился.
PS:
Число американцев русско-немецкого происхождения все же намного выше, чем 10 тысяч.
Многие родители просто не говорили детям о их корнях.
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9. Why didn't my grandparents talk about their German-Russian heritage?
During World War I and World War II there was a great deal of animosity towards German immigrants and German-speaking immigrants in this country. Many states passed legislation restricting the use of the German language as a measure to curtail the influence of their German populations. Either forcibly or voluntarily, many German-speaking citizens restricted or concealed their "Germanness." After World War II came the Red Scare, and although most of the German-Russian immigrants entered this country before the Bolshevik Revolution and implementation of Communism, the fact that they were from Russia was reason enough for antagonism to be brought against them. Many German-Russian families found it easier to conceal their origins rather than endure the prejudices that a large part of society held towards their language, culture and country. As a result, many descendants of Germans from Russia are learning, late in life, of their heritage and origins.
10. Why did my relatives speak German instead of Russian?
One of the provisions of the Manifesto issued by Catherine the Great in 1763 was that the colonists would be able to maintain their German language and culture, as well as their own schools and churches. Thus, until the twentieth century, when an active policy of "Russification" was adopted, the German colonists spoke primarily, oftentimes exclusively, German. The dialect spoken by the various groups of Germans in Russia is an interesting subject as these dialects are very distinct from the dialects now spoken in Germany. When the German colonists immigrated to Russia, their language was not subject to the same influences as other German speakers and was more or less isolated, resulting in a dialect that has survived for more than 200 years.
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12. What happened to the Germans living in the Soviet Union prior to and during World War II?
On August 12, 1939, Stalin and Hitler signed a non-aggression pact. As a result of this, Germans living in Bessarabia, Bukovina, Dobruja, Galicia and Polish Volhynia were repatriated to Germany. They were first settled in the western part of Poland, but as the German Army retreated, they moved farther westward into western Germany. Because of the earlier agreement and the fact that they had German citizenship, they were not forced back to the Soviet Union at the end of the war.
Beginning with the Crimean Germans on August 20, 1941, Germans living in areas not overrun by the German Army were deported to Siberia and the Asiatic Republics. There they were sent to labor camps and kept under close supervision until 1956. These deported Germans were from the area east of the Dnieper River, the Volga Region (September 1941), the South Caucasus (October 1941), and Leningrad (now Petersburg, March 1942). Germans living in the cities were also deported to labor camps.
The Germans living in the area of the southern Soviet Union which was overrun by the German Army retreated with the German Army as they were losing the war. At the end of the war, approximately 300,000 of these people were in Germany; 200,000 of them were forcibly repatriated to the Soviet Union, where they joined the other Soviet Germans in labor camps.
http://www.ahsgr.org/ahsgrfaq.html
Из России когда то выехало около 300000 русских немцев. За сто лет их число возрасло по крайней мере до нескольких миллионов. Пусть не 10 mln, но наверняка 1-2 миллиона, то есть, не меньше, чем в Канаде.
└More than 25% of U.S. Americans are either completely or partly of German descent. There was even some talk after the War of Independence about whether English or German should be the national language!⌠
25% -это больше, чем 60 миллионов!
http://www.mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au/la/lote/german/mckinnon/earlyger-usa.htm
Вот еще интересные ссылки о вкладе немцев в историю Америки.
http://www.dank.org/culture_heritage.html
http://www.ulib.iupui.edu/kade/teaching.html
http://www.serve.com/shea/germusa/geramfr.htm
http://www.kutztown.edu/news/german_heritage.shtml
http://www.germanheritage.com/
http://www.grhs.com/
http://www.russlanddeutschegeschichte.de/
Это может быть потому, что "Russian Germans in the USA" активнее, чем остальные пользуются интернетом и создали солидные базы данных, которыми могут пользоваться все русские немцы.
Амeры сделали для сохранения памяти о наших предках больше, чем наше землячество в Германии.
Michael Miller из ND меня буквально закидал информацией, я уже не успеваю отвечать на все постинги из США.
По словам Миллера (он приезжал на встречу в Штуттгарте) он никогда даже не ожидал, что его инициатива вызовет такой резонанс в среде потомков └Russian Germans⌠.
Я одно время участвовал в работе AHSGR, но сейчас, к сожалению, на такие дела времени почти не остается.
Hу а от нашего землячества в Штуттгарте я только иногда получаю счета двухгодичной давности, которые я якобы не уплатил.
Хорошо, что квитанции не выбросил, смог доказать, что счет пришел по ошибке. Но за это даже никто не извинился.
PS:
Число американцев русско-немецкого происхождения все же намного выше, чем 10 тысяч.
Многие родители просто не говорили детям о их корнях.
---
9. Why didn't my grandparents talk about their German-Russian heritage?
During World War I and World War II there was a great deal of animosity towards German immigrants and German-speaking immigrants in this country. Many states passed legislation restricting the use of the German language as a measure to curtail the influence of their German populations. Either forcibly or voluntarily, many German-speaking citizens restricted or concealed their "Germanness." After World War II came the Red Scare, and although most of the German-Russian immigrants entered this country before the Bolshevik Revolution and implementation of Communism, the fact that they were from Russia was reason enough for antagonism to be brought against them. Many German-Russian families found it easier to conceal their origins rather than endure the prejudices that a large part of society held towards their language, culture and country. As a result, many descendants of Germans from Russia are learning, late in life, of their heritage and origins.
10. Why did my relatives speak German instead of Russian?
One of the provisions of the Manifesto issued by Catherine the Great in 1763 was that the colonists would be able to maintain their German language and culture, as well as their own schools and churches. Thus, until the twentieth century, when an active policy of "Russification" was adopted, the German colonists spoke primarily, oftentimes exclusively, German. The dialect spoken by the various groups of Germans in Russia is an interesting subject as these dialects are very distinct from the dialects now spoken in Germany. When the German colonists immigrated to Russia, their language was not subject to the same influences as other German speakers and was more or less isolated, resulting in a dialect that has survived for more than 200 years.
...
12. What happened to the Germans living in the Soviet Union prior to and during World War II?
On August 12, 1939, Stalin and Hitler signed a non-aggression pact. As a result of this, Germans living in Bessarabia, Bukovina, Dobruja, Galicia and Polish Volhynia were repatriated to Germany. They were first settled in the western part of Poland, but as the German Army retreated, they moved farther westward into western Germany. Because of the earlier agreement and the fact that they had German citizenship, they were not forced back to the Soviet Union at the end of the war.
Beginning with the Crimean Germans on August 20, 1941, Germans living in areas not overrun by the German Army were deported to Siberia and the Asiatic Republics. There they were sent to labor camps and kept under close supervision until 1956. These deported Germans were from the area east of the Dnieper River, the Volga Region (September 1941), the South Caucasus (October 1941), and Leningrad (now Petersburg, March 1942). Germans living in the cities were also deported to labor camps.
The Germans living in the area of the southern Soviet Union which was overrun by the German Army retreated with the German Army as they were losing the war. At the end of the war, approximately 300,000 of these people were in Germany; 200,000 of them were forcibly repatriated to the Soviet Union, where they joined the other Soviet Germans in labor camps.
http://www.ahsgr.org/ahsgrfaq.html
Из России когда то выехало около 300000 русских немцев. За сто лет их число возрасло по крайней мере до нескольких миллионов. Пусть не 10 mln, но наверняка 1-2 миллиона, то есть, не меньше, чем в Канаде.
└More than 25% of U.S. Americans are either completely or partly of German descent. There was even some talk after the War of Independence about whether English or German should be the national language!⌠
25% -это больше, чем 60 миллионов!
http://www.mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au/la/lote/german/mckinnon/earlyger-usa.htm
Вот еще интересные ссылки о вкладе немцев в историю Америки.
http://www.dank.org/culture_heritage.html
http://www.ulib.iupui.edu/kade/teaching.html
http://www.serve.com/shea/germusa/geramfr.htm
http://www.kutztown.edu/news/german_heritage.shtml
http://www.germanheritage.com/
http://www.grhs.com/
http://www.russlanddeutschegeschichte.de/