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в ответ fotog 11.06.06 22:01, Последний раз изменено 11.06.06 23:24 (UncleG)
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Повторяю 50 лет назад ни один человек на планете не знал о существовании палестинского народа...
Повторяю 50 лет назад ни один человек на планете не знал о существовании палестинского народа...
Да что вы говорите? А вы о филистимлянах никогда не слышали? Даже песенка про филистимское море есть, которое еще называют средиземным морем.
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ФИЛИСТИМЛЯНЕ, народ, населявший в древности прибрежные равнины Палестины и известный преимущественно благодаря библейским источникам; упоминается также в египетских и ассирийских письменных памятниках. Само название «Палестина» представляет собой греческий вариант названия «Филистия». В Библии сообщается, что страна филистимлян простиралась «от Сихора, что перед Египтом, до пределов Екрона к северу» (Ис Нав 13:2-3). Ее восточные пределы достигали Беф-Шемеша. Главными политическими центрами были пять городов (т.н. Пятиградие, Пентаполис): Азот, Газа, Аскалон, Геф и Екрон.
Филистимляне не были коренными жителями Ханаана. Согласно Библии, они - в силу некоторых обстоятельств - переселились туда из Кафтора (отождествляемого исследователями то с Критом, то с Кипром, то с Малой Азией) одновременно с бежавшими из Египта евреями.
http://www.krugosvet.ru/articles/26/1002631/1002631a1.htm
ФИЛИСТИМЛЯНЕ, народ, населявший в древности прибрежные равнины Палестины и известный преимущественно благодаря библейским источникам; упоминается также в египетских и ассирийских письменных памятниках. Само название «Палестина» представляет собой греческий вариант названия «Филистия». В Библии сообщается, что страна филистимлян простиралась «от Сихора, что перед Египтом, до пределов Екрона к северу» (Ис Нав 13:2-3). Ее восточные пределы достигали Беф-Шемеша. Главными политическими центрами были пять городов (т.н. Пятиградие, Пентаполис): Азот, Газа, Аскалон, Геф и Екрон.
Филистимляне не были коренными жителями Ханаана. Согласно Библии, они - в силу некоторых обстоятельств - переселились туда из Кафтора (отождествляемого исследователями то с Критом, то с Кипром, то с Малой Азией) одновременно с бежавшими из Египта евреями.
http://www.krugosvet.ru/articles/26/1002631/1002631a1.htm
Как видим, евреи поселились в Палестина не раньше, чем филистимляне.
Впрочем, давайте посмотрим, что по этому поводу думают сами палестинцы (то бишь филистимляне, буква П и Ф взаимозаменяемы, вы надеюсь об этом слыхали).
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http://www.palestinehistory.com/history.htm
Brief history of Palestine
3'RD MILLENNIUM BC
3'rd millennium BC : The Canaanites were the earliest known inhabitants of Palestine. They became urbanized and lived in city-states, one of which was Jericho . They developed an alphabet. Palestine's location at the center of routes linking three continents made it the meeting place for religious and cultural influences from Egypt, Syria, Mesopotamia, and Asia Minor. It was also the natural battleground for the great powers of the region and subject to domination by adjacent empires, beginning with Egypt in the 3d millennium BC.
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2'ND MILLENNIUM BC
2'rd millennium BC : Egyptian hegemony and Canaanite autonomy were constantly challenged by such ethnically diverse invaders as the Amorites, Hittites, and Hurrians. These invaders, however, were defeated by the Egyptians and absorbed by the Canaanites, who at that time may have numbered about 200000.
14th century BC : Egyptian power began to weaken, new invaders appeared: the Hebrews, a group of Semitic tribes from Mesopotamia, and the Philistines (after whom the country was later named), an Aegean people of Indo-European stock.
1230 BC : Joshua conquered parts of Palestine. The conquerors settled in the hill country, but they were unable to conquer all of Palestine.
1125 BC : The Israelites, a confederation of Hebrew tribes, finally defeated the Canaanites but found the struggle with the Philistines more difficult . Philistines had established an independent state on the southern coast of Palestine and controlled the Canaanite town of Jerusalem.
1050 BC : Philistines with there superior in military organization and using iron weapons, they severely defeated the Israelites about 1050 BC .
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1'ST MILLENNIUM BC
1000 BC : David, Israel's great king, finally defeated the Philistines, and they eventually assimilated with the Canaanites . The unity of Israel and the feebleness of adjacent empires enabled David to establish a large independent state, with its capital at Jerusalem.
922 BC : Under David's son and successor, Solomon, Israel enjoyed peace and prosperity , but at his death in 922 BC the kingdom was divided into Israel in the north and Judah in the south .
...
638 AD : The Arab conquest began 1300 years of Muslim presence in what then became known as Filastin. Eager to be rid of their Byzantine overlords and aware of their shared heritage with the Arabs, the descendants of Ishmael, as well as the Muslims reputation for mercy and compassion in victory, the people of Jerusalem handed over the city after a brief siege. They made only one condition, That the terms of their surrender be negotiated directly with the Khalif 'Umar in person. 'Umar entered Jerusalem on foot. There was no bloodshed. There were no massacres. Those who wanted to leave were allowed to, with all their goods. Those who wanted to stay were guarantee protection for their lives, their property and places of worship.
Palestine was holy to Muslims because the Prophet Muhammad had designated Jerusalem as the first qibla (the direction Muslims face when praying) and because he was believed to have ascended on a night journey to heaven from the the old city of Jerusalem (al-Aqsa Mosque today) , where the Dome of the Rock was later built. Jerusalem became the third holiest city of Islam. The Muslim rulers did not force their religion on the Palestinians, and more than a century passed before the majority converted to Islam. The remaining Christians and Jews were considered People of the Book. They were allowed autonomous control in their communities and guaranteed security and freedom of worship. Such tolerance was rare in the history of religion . Most Palestinians also adopted Arabic and Islamic culture. Palestine benefited from the empires trade and from its religious significance during the first Muslim dynasty, the Umayyads of Damascus.
http://www.palestinehistory.com/history.htm
Brief history of Palestine
3'RD MILLENNIUM BC
3'rd millennium BC : The Canaanites were the earliest known inhabitants of Palestine. They became urbanized and lived in city-states, one of which was Jericho . They developed an alphabet. Palestine's location at the center of routes linking three continents made it the meeting place for religious and cultural influences from Egypt, Syria, Mesopotamia, and Asia Minor. It was also the natural battleground for the great powers of the region and subject to domination by adjacent empires, beginning with Egypt in the 3d millennium BC.
Index
Line
2'ND MILLENNIUM BC
2'rd millennium BC : Egyptian hegemony and Canaanite autonomy were constantly challenged by such ethnically diverse invaders as the Amorites, Hittites, and Hurrians. These invaders, however, were defeated by the Egyptians and absorbed by the Canaanites, who at that time may have numbered about 200000.
14th century BC : Egyptian power began to weaken, new invaders appeared: the Hebrews, a group of Semitic tribes from Mesopotamia, and the Philistines (after whom the country was later named), an Aegean people of Indo-European stock.
1230 BC : Joshua conquered parts of Palestine. The conquerors settled in the hill country, but they were unable to conquer all of Palestine.
1125 BC : The Israelites, a confederation of Hebrew tribes, finally defeated the Canaanites but found the struggle with the Philistines more difficult . Philistines had established an independent state on the southern coast of Palestine and controlled the Canaanite town of Jerusalem.
1050 BC : Philistines with there superior in military organization and using iron weapons, they severely defeated the Israelites about 1050 BC .
Index
Line
1'ST MILLENNIUM BC
1000 BC : David, Israel's great king, finally defeated the Philistines, and they eventually assimilated with the Canaanites . The unity of Israel and the feebleness of adjacent empires enabled David to establish a large independent state, with its capital at Jerusalem.
922 BC : Under David's son and successor, Solomon, Israel enjoyed peace and prosperity , but at his death in 922 BC the kingdom was divided into Israel in the north and Judah in the south .
...
638 AD : The Arab conquest began 1300 years of Muslim presence in what then became known as Filastin. Eager to be rid of their Byzantine overlords and aware of their shared heritage with the Arabs, the descendants of Ishmael, as well as the Muslims reputation for mercy and compassion in victory, the people of Jerusalem handed over the city after a brief siege. They made only one condition, That the terms of their surrender be negotiated directly with the Khalif 'Umar in person. 'Umar entered Jerusalem on foot. There was no bloodshed. There were no massacres. Those who wanted to leave were allowed to, with all their goods. Those who wanted to stay were guarantee protection for their lives, their property and places of worship.
Palestine was holy to Muslims because the Prophet Muhammad had designated Jerusalem as the first qibla (the direction Muslims face when praying) and because he was believed to have ascended on a night journey to heaven from the the old city of Jerusalem (al-Aqsa Mosque today) , where the Dome of the Rock was later built. Jerusalem became the third holiest city of Islam. The Muslim rulers did not force their religion on the Palestinians, and more than a century passed before the majority converted to Islam. The remaining Christians and Jews were considered People of the Book. They were allowed autonomous control in their communities and guaranteed security and freedom of worship. Such tolerance was rare in the history of religion . Most Palestinians also adopted Arabic and Islamic culture. Palestine benefited from the empires trade and from its religious significance during the first Muslim dynasty, the Umayyads of Damascus.
Как видим, палестинцы считают себя потомками филистимлян, и в это поверить намного легче чем в то, что современные евреи являются потомками древних евреев.
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...а вот о том, что именно здесь существовал Израиль знали и что Иерусалим основан израильским царём Давидом.
...а вот о том, что именно здесь существовал Израиль знали и что Иерусалим основан израильским царём Давидом.
Ну как можно так безбожно врать? Давид завоевал Иерусалим, который был основан задолго до того, как Давид появился на свет. До этого там обитал некий народ, который назывался "Jebusites". Евреи же в то время были кочевым народом, как сегодня бедуины, и города они не строили и не основывали, а завоевывали.
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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vie/Jerusalem1.html
Around the year 1010 B.C.E., King David defeated the Jebusites in Jerusalem and decided to make the city his administrative capital. When he brought the Ark of the Covenant to the city, he stripped the Twelve Tribes of the spiritual source of their power and concentrated it in his own hands.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vie/Jerusalem1.html
Around the year 1010 B.C.E., King David defeated the Jebusites in Jerusalem and decided to make the city his administrative capital. When he brought the Ark of the Covenant to the city, he stripped the Twelve Tribes of the spiritual source of their power and concentrated it in his own hands.