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in Antwort Участник 12.07.04 00:18, Zuletzt geändert 12.07.04 09:47 (Олменд)
"Может извинимся за предумышленное введение членов ДК в заблуждение? Если Вы конечно джентльмен. "
Можете не сомневаться, Участник, если указанной статьи нет в ВП, то я извинюсь.
Но пока что вы умышленно вводите людей в заблуждение своими заявлениями о фальшивках. Неужели вы думаете, что в дуэли сидят идиоты, которые не сверили свой перевод с оригиналом? И вообще, если вы в 1999 году уже умели пользоваться поисковыми машинами, то вы должны были заметить, что данная статья имелась на множестве сайтов и оживленно дискутировалась. В том числе и в англоязычных форумах, в которых я активно участвовал.
И, подчеркиваю, никто еще не усомнился в подлинности данной статьи.
То, что она сохранилась не во всех архивах, так это еще ни о чем не говорит. Кстати, Дуэль (я не обьязательно согласен с содержанием этого сайта), не правый, а леворадикальный сайт, т.е. АНТИ-фашистский. С ВП я не совсем уверен. И в онлайн-архивах не хранятся все статьи. A вот вам еще выдержки с прибалтийских сайтов, если вы действительно ничего кроме Шпигеля не нашли. Кстати, на форуме Шпигеля, как мне показалось, никто даже не усомнился в подлинности статьи.
В прибалтийских источниках упоминаются подобные тирады упомянутого автора в других видных американских газетах.
Subj: Lat Chat mailer - Special Op-Ed Edition
Date: 10/20/99 9:01:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Sturgalve
Sveiki!
We hope you all had a great Lat Chat (or two) while we were away on vacation. Silvija is still there in Latvia for one more week, recovering from a cold and catching up with a couple of more relatives.
In the meantime, we wanted to share a couple of articles (op-ed pieces) we ran across, drawing parallels in history between the recent≈and continuing≈tragedy in Kosovo, and Latvia during the Soviet occupation.
First is an article privately placed in the New York Times Op-Ed section, Wednesday, September 8, 1999, Serbs in Kosovo≈Russians in Latvia, by Aivars Slucis, equating Russian actions and results in Latvia during the Soviet occupation with Serb actions and results in Kosovo, noting traditional Russian support for their Serbian brethren.
http://www.latvians.com/Mailer/1999_10_20.htm
SERBS IN KOSOVO≈
RUSSIANS IN LATVIA
...
In 1945, there were a few farsighted Western leaders such as Churchill and Patton who understood the brutality of the Russians and wanted to liberate at least Eastern Europe from them, but didn't have enough support for this.
Now that the West has perhaps discovered morality and justice, there is another chance. It is hard for Americans, Canadians, and Australians to understand that elsewhere different people do not live happily together. Maybe the events in the Balkins over the last eight years will finally make this clear.
The solution, however, is very obvious and simple≈separate the people and they can be reasonable neighbors. In the Balkans even more border adjustment is needed. The Hungarian part of Serbia (Vojvodina) needs to be taken from the Serbs and added to Hungary. The Serb part of Bosnia (Srpska) to be added to Serbia (after Milosevich goes and all those Serbs who served in Kosovo after February 1998 are tried for genocide). Artificial Macedonia to be dismantled and divided along ethnic lines and added to Serbia (A. M.), Albania, etc.
In the north, the population of Russia has been declining by one million people per year, so by repatriating the hated, destabilizing illegal one million Russian colonists from Latvia to Russia will only bring Russia's population back to where it was in July of 1998. This action is needed for the sake of justice and morality and to head off ethnic conflict in Latvia and the "mother" of all ethnic conflicts, i.e., Russians vs Asians in Siberia if Russia's population falls too low.
Diplomats don't have one original thought in their total heads. They are the obstructionists, the last to come around after the inevitable has happened. Examples are trying to preserve the Soviet Union (Russian empire)≈President Bush's infamous speech in Kiev 1991; trying to preserve Yugoslavia (Serb empire)≈U.S. Secretary of State Baker 1991; trying to keep Chechnya as a Russian occupied colony≈all U.S. and European bureaucrats and functionaries 1995-97.
It is also flagrantly immoral that Kurds and Palestinians don't have their own independent countries.
Now that things may be changing and now that USA and Europe have done the right, moral thing in Kosovo, don't stop there. Many more injustices need to be corrected. Repatriate the illegal Russian colonists from Latvia (and Estonia), clearly recognize Chechnya's independence, develop independent Kurdistan and Palestine. Correct other borders in Europe along ethnic lines≈Hungarians, Albanians.
Let's take the moral and just position on these problems before we experience more Russian and Serb crimes against humanity. The next freedom fighter may not carry a Kalashnikov, but rather a small flask or a petri dish.
Aivars Slucis, M.D. 820 S 4th Ave., Albert Lea, MN 56007
≈Appeared in The New York Times, Op-Ed Section, September 8, 1999
http://www.latvians.com/Mailer/1999_10_20.htm#oped1
Как видите, статья написана в том же духе, депортировать русских (пока из прибалтики в россию), тот же стиль, тот же слог, те же мысли. Только что в статье, упомянутой раньше, предлагалось выплачивать русским деньги за продажу Росии (т.е. первая статья даже гуманнее).
~If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun~
Можете не сомневаться, Участник, если указанной статьи нет в ВП, то я извинюсь.
Но пока что вы умышленно вводите людей в заблуждение своими заявлениями о фальшивках. Неужели вы думаете, что в дуэли сидят идиоты, которые не сверили свой перевод с оригиналом? И вообще, если вы в 1999 году уже умели пользоваться поисковыми машинами, то вы должны были заметить, что данная статья имелась на множестве сайтов и оживленно дискутировалась. В том числе и в англоязычных форумах, в которых я активно участвовал.
И, подчеркиваю, никто еще не усомнился в подлинности данной статьи.
То, что она сохранилась не во всех архивах, так это еще ни о чем не говорит. Кстати, Дуэль (я не обьязательно согласен с содержанием этого сайта), не правый, а леворадикальный сайт, т.е. АНТИ-фашистский. С ВП я не совсем уверен. И в онлайн-архивах не хранятся все статьи. A вот вам еще выдержки с прибалтийских сайтов, если вы действительно ничего кроме Шпигеля не нашли. Кстати, на форуме Шпигеля, как мне показалось, никто даже не усомнился в подлинности статьи.
В прибалтийских источниках упоминаются подобные тирады упомянутого автора в других видных американских газетах.
Subj: Lat Chat mailer - Special Op-Ed Edition
Date: 10/20/99 9:01:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Sturgalve
Sveiki!
We hope you all had a great Lat Chat (or two) while we were away on vacation. Silvija is still there in Latvia for one more week, recovering from a cold and catching up with a couple of more relatives.
In the meantime, we wanted to share a couple of articles (op-ed pieces) we ran across, drawing parallels in history between the recent≈and continuing≈tragedy in Kosovo, and Latvia during the Soviet occupation.
First is an article privately placed in the New York Times Op-Ed section, Wednesday, September 8, 1999, Serbs in Kosovo≈Russians in Latvia, by Aivars Slucis, equating Russian actions and results in Latvia during the Soviet occupation with Serb actions and results in Kosovo, noting traditional Russian support for their Serbian brethren.
http://www.latvians.com/Mailer/1999_10_20.htm
SERBS IN KOSOVO≈
RUSSIANS IN LATVIA
...
In 1945, there were a few farsighted Western leaders such as Churchill and Patton who understood the brutality of the Russians and wanted to liberate at least Eastern Europe from them, but didn't have enough support for this.
Now that the West has perhaps discovered morality and justice, there is another chance. It is hard for Americans, Canadians, and Australians to understand that elsewhere different people do not live happily together. Maybe the events in the Balkins over the last eight years will finally make this clear.
The solution, however, is very obvious and simple≈separate the people and they can be reasonable neighbors. In the Balkans even more border adjustment is needed. The Hungarian part of Serbia (Vojvodina) needs to be taken from the Serbs and added to Hungary. The Serb part of Bosnia (Srpska) to be added to Serbia (after Milosevich goes and all those Serbs who served in Kosovo after February 1998 are tried for genocide). Artificial Macedonia to be dismantled and divided along ethnic lines and added to Serbia (A. M.), Albania, etc.
In the north, the population of Russia has been declining by one million people per year, so by repatriating the hated, destabilizing illegal one million Russian colonists from Latvia to Russia will only bring Russia's population back to where it was in July of 1998. This action is needed for the sake of justice and morality and to head off ethnic conflict in Latvia and the "mother" of all ethnic conflicts, i.e., Russians vs Asians in Siberia if Russia's population falls too low.
Diplomats don't have one original thought in their total heads. They are the obstructionists, the last to come around after the inevitable has happened. Examples are trying to preserve the Soviet Union (Russian empire)≈President Bush's infamous speech in Kiev 1991; trying to preserve Yugoslavia (Serb empire)≈U.S. Secretary of State Baker 1991; trying to keep Chechnya as a Russian occupied colony≈all U.S. and European bureaucrats and functionaries 1995-97.
It is also flagrantly immoral that Kurds and Palestinians don't have their own independent countries.
Now that things may be changing and now that USA and Europe have done the right, moral thing in Kosovo, don't stop there. Many more injustices need to be corrected. Repatriate the illegal Russian colonists from Latvia (and Estonia), clearly recognize Chechnya's independence, develop independent Kurdistan and Palestine. Correct other borders in Europe along ethnic lines≈Hungarians, Albanians.
Let's take the moral and just position on these problems before we experience more Russian and Serb crimes against humanity. The next freedom fighter may not carry a Kalashnikov, but rather a small flask or a petri dish.
Aivars Slucis, M.D. 820 S 4th Ave., Albert Lea, MN 56007
≈Appeared in The New York Times, Op-Ed Section, September 8, 1999
http://www.latvians.com/Mailer/1999_10_20.htm#oped1
Как видите, статья написана в том же духе, депортировать русских (пока из прибалтики в россию), тот же стиль, тот же слог, те же мысли. Только что в статье, упомянутой раньше, предлагалось выплачивать русским деньги за продажу Росии (т.е. первая статья даже гуманнее).
~If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun~