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in Antwort Shурик2.0 11.07.04 17:06, Zuletzt geändert 11.07.04 21:42 (Олменд)
"....Разумеется фальшивка. И в "НГ" ее тоже не было...."
Вот еще одна "западная фальшивка", обсуждалась в "НГ", привожу оригинальный текст:
RUSSIA UNDER PUTIN WILL SUCK, AS ALWAYS.
John Robson.
Ottawa Citizen, Friday 7 January 2000
We are one of those nations which do not appear to be an integral part of the human race, but exist only in order to teach some great lesson to the world. Pyotr Chaadaev
The accession of Vladimir Putin has everyone wondering if he's the miracle man who will finally make Russia a normal state. Previously they thought it might be Yeltsin, Gorbachev, Andropov, Brezhnev, Khrushchev, Stalin, Lenin, Aleksandr II, Catherine the Great, Peter the Great, or ...
I have some bad news, folks. Normal for Russia is filthy, corrupt, menacing and hollow. Nothing good has ever happened there, nor will it. Russia is a lump of dung wrapped in a cabbage leaf hidden in an outhouse. You doubt it? Then join my tragical history tour.
First, Russia was cursed by nature. It has a narrow band of relatively fertile soil that tapers off from southwest to northeast, but most rain falls in the northwest and Russia gets drier and colder as you go east. Its frontier, unlike ours or the Americans', led nowhere.
Except, of course, to loathsome invaders. First, though, from the north came the same Norsemen who ravaged Western Europe. But in Russia they didn't govern, in the sense of providing security in return for protection money. They just built walled towns and stole stuff. Then Vladimir of Kiev adopted the Orthodox religion, which helped wall Russia off from the West and contributed to what one historian calls the puzzling "intellectual silence" of Russian history. So did the Cyrillic alphabet.
Then came the Mongols in 1237. They, too, provided no services, and felt no obligation, to their subjects. They just stole stuff and killed anyone who asked questions. Then the Black Death ravaged Russia and finished off the Mongols. So Ivan III stopped paying them tribute in 1480 and promptly set about stripping his subjects of their few liberties. The nobles were brought to heel, and the independent cities broken. Around this time, as Richard Pipes notes in his masterful Russia Under the Old Regime, the blurry distinction between lands the ruler held personally and those he granted to nobles in his capacity as monarch was resolved. But in Europe, especially England, most became the latter, while in Russia the reverse happened.
Then came Ivan the Terrible, who divided the country into an outer part he ruled unjustly and an inner part where his psychotic secret police slaughtered thousands. Ivan killed his eldest son and left the throne to an imbecile without heirs. Then (then, you say?) came the Time of Troubles, lasting until the Romanovs seized power in 1613. During this time the peasants were enserfed but, this being Russia, there is no clear record of when or how.
Then came Peter the Great, a giant (6'8") who forced westernization down the throats of his reluctant nobles (along with anything they abhorred, including corpse flesh), built his capital in a swamp and forced his courtiers to cut off their beards. So rather than taking root, western habits were aped for safety but despised. Peter also held sacrilegious orgies, and had his only adult heir tortured to death in front of him. Then Catherine the Great, another westernizer-by-force, murdered her wretched impotent husband Peter III, brought Voltaire to her court, turned the whole country into a Potemkin village and drove her son Paul mad. Later he was assassinated.
Then Aleksandr I, head of the orthodox, theology-free church, finally read the Bible in his 30s and was converted. God told him to exterminate liberalism throughout Europe so he formed the Holy Alliance. Then Aleksandr II lost the Crimean War, emancipated the serfs and was assassinated. Nikolai II fitfully promoted reform, lost the First World War and was assassinated.
After that, people say, things went rather badly. But already in the 19th century to be "Russian" about things meant insisting your own country was best without knowing anything about other countries and not much about your own. And in 1839 the visiting Marquis de Custine lamented the absence of a "citizen class" and wrote "there is no people of Russia ... "
And it has been said that to understand Russian history you need only know that Russians made the biggest bell and the biggest cannon in the history of the world, and neither worked. Substitute Marxist ideology for the religious bell and the Red Army for that cannon, and you can see that nothing has changed. Nor will it. Russia is doomed by history and culture.
It stinks, literally and figuratively, and always has. People there have no manners, and as Pipes argues, no cultural capital, particularly no tradition of decency toward strangers. In Russia, when someone is swindled, popular sympathy goes to the swindler. Communism, of course, made it worse: Communism makes anything worse.
But the bottom line is: Russia has sucked, sucks, and will suck.
John Robson is Senior Writer and Deputy Editorial Pages Editor.
P.S.
Прежде чем обьявлять что-то фальшивкой, сходите в библиотеку, возьмите Вашингтон Пост за указанное число и посмотрите, что стоит на указанной странице.
Я жду подтверждение вашим словам, иначе я буду считать вас болтуном.
Вот еще одна "западная фальшивка", обсуждалась в "НГ", привожу оригинальный текст:
RUSSIA UNDER PUTIN WILL SUCK, AS ALWAYS.
John Robson.
Ottawa Citizen, Friday 7 January 2000
We are one of those nations which do not appear to be an integral part of the human race, but exist only in order to teach some great lesson to the world. Pyotr Chaadaev
The accession of Vladimir Putin has everyone wondering if he's the miracle man who will finally make Russia a normal state. Previously they thought it might be Yeltsin, Gorbachev, Andropov, Brezhnev, Khrushchev, Stalin, Lenin, Aleksandr II, Catherine the Great, Peter the Great, or ...
I have some bad news, folks. Normal for Russia is filthy, corrupt, menacing and hollow. Nothing good has ever happened there, nor will it. Russia is a lump of dung wrapped in a cabbage leaf hidden in an outhouse. You doubt it? Then join my tragical history tour.
First, Russia was cursed by nature. It has a narrow band of relatively fertile soil that tapers off from southwest to northeast, but most rain falls in the northwest and Russia gets drier and colder as you go east. Its frontier, unlike ours or the Americans', led nowhere.
Except, of course, to loathsome invaders. First, though, from the north came the same Norsemen who ravaged Western Europe. But in Russia they didn't govern, in the sense of providing security in return for protection money. They just built walled towns and stole stuff. Then Vladimir of Kiev adopted the Orthodox religion, which helped wall Russia off from the West and contributed to what one historian calls the puzzling "intellectual silence" of Russian history. So did the Cyrillic alphabet.
Then came the Mongols in 1237. They, too, provided no services, and felt no obligation, to their subjects. They just stole stuff and killed anyone who asked questions. Then the Black Death ravaged Russia and finished off the Mongols. So Ivan III stopped paying them tribute in 1480 and promptly set about stripping his subjects of their few liberties. The nobles were brought to heel, and the independent cities broken. Around this time, as Richard Pipes notes in his masterful Russia Under the Old Regime, the blurry distinction between lands the ruler held personally and those he granted to nobles in his capacity as monarch was resolved. But in Europe, especially England, most became the latter, while in Russia the reverse happened.
Then came Ivan the Terrible, who divided the country into an outer part he ruled unjustly and an inner part where his psychotic secret police slaughtered thousands. Ivan killed his eldest son and left the throne to an imbecile without heirs. Then (then, you say?) came the Time of Troubles, lasting until the Romanovs seized power in 1613. During this time the peasants were enserfed but, this being Russia, there is no clear record of when or how.
Then came Peter the Great, a giant (6'8") who forced westernization down the throats of his reluctant nobles (along with anything they abhorred, including corpse flesh), built his capital in a swamp and forced his courtiers to cut off their beards. So rather than taking root, western habits were aped for safety but despised. Peter also held sacrilegious orgies, and had his only adult heir tortured to death in front of him. Then Catherine the Great, another westernizer-by-force, murdered her wretched impotent husband Peter III, brought Voltaire to her court, turned the whole country into a Potemkin village and drove her son Paul mad. Later he was assassinated.
Then Aleksandr I, head of the orthodox, theology-free church, finally read the Bible in his 30s and was converted. God told him to exterminate liberalism throughout Europe so he formed the Holy Alliance. Then Aleksandr II lost the Crimean War, emancipated the serfs and was assassinated. Nikolai II fitfully promoted reform, lost the First World War and was assassinated.
After that, people say, things went rather badly. But already in the 19th century to be "Russian" about things meant insisting your own country was best without knowing anything about other countries and not much about your own. And in 1839 the visiting Marquis de Custine lamented the absence of a "citizen class" and wrote "there is no people of Russia ... "
And it has been said that to understand Russian history you need only know that Russians made the biggest bell and the biggest cannon in the history of the world, and neither worked. Substitute Marxist ideology for the religious bell and the Red Army for that cannon, and you can see that nothing has changed. Nor will it. Russia is doomed by history and culture.
It stinks, literally and figuratively, and always has. People there have no manners, and as Pipes argues, no cultural capital, particularly no tradition of decency toward strangers. In Russia, when someone is swindled, popular sympathy goes to the swindler. Communism, of course, made it worse: Communism makes anything worse.
But the bottom line is: Russia has sucked, sucks, and will suck.
John Robson is Senior Writer and Deputy Editorial Pages Editor.
P.S.
Прежде чем обьявлять что-то фальшивкой, сходите в библиотеку, возьмите Вашингтон Пост за указанное число и посмотрите, что стоит на указанной странице.
Я жду подтверждение вашим словам, иначе я буду считать вас болтуном.