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в ответ Мущщщина 31.12.03 00:47
А разве в Израиле не так?
--- Не так.
Я уже начитался в израильских форумах о взаимной любви "русских" и "африканцев".
-- Да нет, они там никак не пересекаются, если и не слишком дружат. И те, и другие приезжие, поэтому не выставляют себя в роли хозяев.
http://www.csis.org/pubs/prospectus/02summer_egnal.htm
Despite their success stories, however, Russians have had a difficult absorption. Widespread unemployment has been particularly upsetting to immigrants coming from a society with full employment. After working in white-collar professions in the former Soviet Union, in Israel their professional qualifications are rejected and many are forced to take menial jobs. Stereotyped by the media as "dirty Russians" and portrayed as an aliyah of criminals, mafioso, prostitutes, and single mothers, many suffer discrimination at school and at work. This is especially hurtful to a community that believes its cultural and professional qualifications have contributed to Israel's economic progress and high-tech boom. To win their vote, Ben-Eliezar needs to show sensitivity to the humiliations Russians have suffered.
Ben-Eliezar also needs to understand the cultural and psychological factors underpinning Russian immigrants' rightist tendencies. Emigration has precipitated nostalgia for Russian symbols, heroes, and values that Russian political parties have manipulated for political purposes, specifically, appealing to Russians "imperialist" attitude toward land. Coming from a vast state with a history of military conquest, Russians were taught not to surrender territories that had become part of the motherland. For this reason, many Russian immigrants support continued Israeli sovereignty over Palestinian areas. They cannot understand why a small country like Israel should willingly give up territory.
http://zhurnal.lib.ru/g/gunin_l_m/rusgen.shtml
WESTERN JOURNALISTS
About Racism In Israel And
PERSECUTION of Russians
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1369000/1369709.stm
BBC NEWS
Uprising Spotlights Israel's Russian Immigrants
Immigrants feel the uprising hit them especially hard.
The suicide bombing in Tel Aviv on Friday that killed 20
Israelis has traumatised Israel's one-million strong Russian
immigrant community. The bomb exploded outside a
nightclub popular with Israeli Russians. Its playlist of Russian
pop songs draws teenagers from Israel's Russian community,
which now accounts for a sixth of the country's population.
Internal Tensions
But the attack also highlighted tensions that have existed over
more than a decade between Israelis born in Israel - and those
who immigrated from Russia.
There was an angry reaction among Russian immigrants when
Israeli religious leaders questioned whether three of the victims
should be buried in Jewish cemeteries, as their mothers were
not Jewish.
Guy Chuck, an Israeli who emigrated to Israel from Russia at the
age of 14 and now runs a communications company in Tel Aviv,
told the BBC that there was no "melting pot" in Israel, but that it
was a multi-cultural society.
"Certainly there is some misunderstanding between the people from
Russia and people who were born here, " Mr Chuck said.
Russians bring their own cultural baggage with them, he said, and
strive to preserve it in the new country.
Israelis were not always tolerant of that attitude, and therefore there
were misunderstandings, he said.
"A lot of people in this country, I think, find it difficult to accept that
the idea of the melting pot has failed, " Mr Chuck said.
Secular and Hawkish
The Russian community in Israel tends to be secularist, disapproving
of the money given to ultra-orthodox Jewish institutions, while at the
same time being hawkish on security issues.
=============
Guardian Unlimited and Guardian Newspapers Limited
2001 London
Immigrants Lose Hope As They Bury Children
Special report:
Israel and the Middle East
Russians feel robbed of a future in Israel after bombing Suzanne
Goldenberg in Tel Aviv
Monday June 4, 2001
The Guardian
Yelena and Yulia Nelimov were teenage girls consumed by teenage ambitions: to dress nicely, to have a good
Time, and to spend as many weekends as possible at a seafront disco that was a magnet for young immigrants from
The former Soviet Union. Yesterday, on the day nine graves were dug for nine consecutive funerals at a cemetery
North of Tel Aviv, dazed friends and relatives eulogised the extraordinary closeness of the sisters - Yelena, 18, and
Yulia, 16, - who were among the 19 young Israelis killed by the suicide bomb attack on Friday night. " They spent
All their time together, " said Marina Shniper, 15, their cousin, who sometimes used to tag along. " They loved life so
Much. I never saw them cry; they were always laughing. " But when the twin coffins draped in the Israeli flag were
Lowered into the ground there were screams of anguish as the Nelimovs' one remaining child, Alexei, was coaxed
Into reciting the unfamiliar prayer for the dead. The girls were regulars at the Water World disco on the Tel Aviv
Seafront. The disco, which played Russian pop songs in the heart of Tel Aviv, symbolised the existence of these
Young Russian immigrants straddling the boundaries of adulthood and mainstream Israeli life. Almost all those
Killed in the attack were from the former Soviet Union, members of an immigrant community vastly increased in the
Past 10 years to account for 1m of Israel's 6.3m citizens. Even before the bombing, the Palestinian uprising had
Claimed a disproportionate share of immigrants from this community, but this latest tragedy was too much too
Bear. " I was in the Russian army, in the special forces, and I saw my comrades wounded. I know what that
Means, " the Nelimovs' uncle, Vladimir Shniper, said. " But that was the army. When it happens to children, there
Are no words to describe the horror. " Many at Yarkon cemetery yesterday said they were no longer sure their
Future lay in their adopted homeland. " Now that I have seen what is happening here I have decided to leave for
Canada, " said Yuri Poltialov, 21. " I don't see that we have a future here; this country has been here for more than
50 years, and all it has seen is war. " Arriving here as children with the promise of a better life and greater security,
The young Russian immigrants watched their parents rebuild their lives from scratch, toiling at menial jobs, while the
Younger generation struggled to fit in. Like many of the dead, the Nelimovs were raised by a single parent: their
Father, who is not Jewish, stayed behind in Russia when the girls emigrated with their younger brother, mother, and
Grandmother six years ago. They went the same secondary school in Tel Aviv. " Today I am at my fourth funeral, "
The principal, Avraham Benvinisti, said, " and there are more to come. " Only minutes earlier he had stood over the
Grave of another pupil, Irina Nepomniashy, who arrived from Tashkent four years ago and was in the business
Stream at the Shevah-Mofet school. Friends say she was determined to make something of her life, to rise above
The conditions that trapped her father in a factory job paying less than ё500 a month. But her death brought an
Added cruelty. She was buried away from the other teenagers, shunned by the religious authorities because they
Did not consider her ritually Jewish. Her grave, heaped with bouquets and small memorial candles, stands in a
Cluster of oleander bushes, isolated even from the section of the graveyard reserved for the unknown dead,
Because the religious authorities only recognise Jews born of Jewish mothers, and Irina's mother, Raisa, is a
Muslim. In the throes of their grief the Nepomniashy family did not have the reserves of strength to protest at the
Insult. They merely gave in to quiet grumbling after Raisa was carried from her only daughter's grave in the arms of
Two friends. A cousin, Alexander Nepomniashy, said the justice minister, Meir Shitreet, had promised the family
That Irina would be buried with her classmates, but when they arrived at the cemetery other arrangements had
Been made. " She lived here with everybody together, so she should have been buried with everyone together, " Mr
Nepomniashy said. " As I see it now, Israel never really accepted her because it would not let her be buried like
Everybody else. "
~Противник, вскрывающий ваши ошибки,
гораздо полезнее, чем друг, скрывающий их. (Л. да Винчи)
--- Не так.
Я уже начитался в израильских форумах о взаимной любви "русских" и "африканцев".
-- Да нет, они там никак не пересекаются, если и не слишком дружат. И те, и другие приезжие, поэтому не выставляют себя в роли хозяев.
http://www.csis.org/pubs/prospectus/02summer_egnal.htm
Despite their success stories, however, Russians have had a difficult absorption. Widespread unemployment has been particularly upsetting to immigrants coming from a society with full employment. After working in white-collar professions in the former Soviet Union, in Israel their professional qualifications are rejected and many are forced to take menial jobs. Stereotyped by the media as "dirty Russians" and portrayed as an aliyah of criminals, mafioso, prostitutes, and single mothers, many suffer discrimination at school and at work. This is especially hurtful to a community that believes its cultural and professional qualifications have contributed to Israel's economic progress and high-tech boom. To win their vote, Ben-Eliezar needs to show sensitivity to the humiliations Russians have suffered.
Ben-Eliezar also needs to understand the cultural and psychological factors underpinning Russian immigrants' rightist tendencies. Emigration has precipitated nostalgia for Russian symbols, heroes, and values that Russian political parties have manipulated for political purposes, specifically, appealing to Russians "imperialist" attitude toward land. Coming from a vast state with a history of military conquest, Russians were taught not to surrender territories that had become part of the motherland. For this reason, many Russian immigrants support continued Israeli sovereignty over Palestinian areas. They cannot understand why a small country like Israel should willingly give up territory.
http://zhurnal.lib.ru/g/gunin_l_m/rusgen.shtml
WESTERN JOURNALISTS
About Racism In Israel And
PERSECUTION of Russians
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1369000/1369709.stm
BBC NEWS
Uprising Spotlights Israel's Russian Immigrants
Immigrants feel the uprising hit them especially hard.
The suicide bombing in Tel Aviv on Friday that killed 20
Israelis has traumatised Israel's one-million strong Russian
immigrant community. The bomb exploded outside a
nightclub popular with Israeli Russians. Its playlist of Russian
pop songs draws teenagers from Israel's Russian community,
which now accounts for a sixth of the country's population.
Internal Tensions
But the attack also highlighted tensions that have existed over
more than a decade between Israelis born in Israel - and those
who immigrated from Russia.
There was an angry reaction among Russian immigrants when
Israeli religious leaders questioned whether three of the victims
should be buried in Jewish cemeteries, as their mothers were
not Jewish.
Guy Chuck, an Israeli who emigrated to Israel from Russia at the
age of 14 and now runs a communications company in Tel Aviv,
told the BBC that there was no "melting pot" in Israel, but that it
was a multi-cultural society.
"Certainly there is some misunderstanding between the people from
Russia and people who were born here, " Mr Chuck said.
Russians bring their own cultural baggage with them, he said, and
strive to preserve it in the new country.
Israelis were not always tolerant of that attitude, and therefore there
were misunderstandings, he said.
"A lot of people in this country, I think, find it difficult to accept that
the idea of the melting pot has failed, " Mr Chuck said.
Secular and Hawkish
The Russian community in Israel tends to be secularist, disapproving
of the money given to ultra-orthodox Jewish institutions, while at the
same time being hawkish on security issues.
=============
Guardian Unlimited and Guardian Newspapers Limited
2001 London
Immigrants Lose Hope As They Bury Children
Special report:
Israel and the Middle East
Russians feel robbed of a future in Israel after bombing Suzanne
Goldenberg in Tel Aviv
Monday June 4, 2001
The Guardian
Yelena and Yulia Nelimov were teenage girls consumed by teenage ambitions: to dress nicely, to have a good
Time, and to spend as many weekends as possible at a seafront disco that was a magnet for young immigrants from
The former Soviet Union. Yesterday, on the day nine graves were dug for nine consecutive funerals at a cemetery
North of Tel Aviv, dazed friends and relatives eulogised the extraordinary closeness of the sisters - Yelena, 18, and
Yulia, 16, - who were among the 19 young Israelis killed by the suicide bomb attack on Friday night. " They spent
All their time together, " said Marina Shniper, 15, their cousin, who sometimes used to tag along. " They loved life so
Much. I never saw them cry; they were always laughing. " But when the twin coffins draped in the Israeli flag were
Lowered into the ground there were screams of anguish as the Nelimovs' one remaining child, Alexei, was coaxed
Into reciting the unfamiliar prayer for the dead. The girls were regulars at the Water World disco on the Tel Aviv
Seafront. The disco, which played Russian pop songs in the heart of Tel Aviv, symbolised the existence of these
Young Russian immigrants straddling the boundaries of adulthood and mainstream Israeli life. Almost all those
Killed in the attack were from the former Soviet Union, members of an immigrant community vastly increased in the
Past 10 years to account for 1m of Israel's 6.3m citizens. Even before the bombing, the Palestinian uprising had
Claimed a disproportionate share of immigrants from this community, but this latest tragedy was too much too
Bear. " I was in the Russian army, in the special forces, and I saw my comrades wounded. I know what that
Means, " the Nelimovs' uncle, Vladimir Shniper, said. " But that was the army. When it happens to children, there
Are no words to describe the horror. " Many at Yarkon cemetery yesterday said they were no longer sure their
Future lay in their adopted homeland. " Now that I have seen what is happening here I have decided to leave for
Canada, " said Yuri Poltialov, 21. " I don't see that we have a future here; this country has been here for more than
50 years, and all it has seen is war. " Arriving here as children with the promise of a better life and greater security,
The young Russian immigrants watched their parents rebuild their lives from scratch, toiling at menial jobs, while the
Younger generation struggled to fit in. Like many of the dead, the Nelimovs were raised by a single parent: their
Father, who is not Jewish, stayed behind in Russia when the girls emigrated with their younger brother, mother, and
Grandmother six years ago. They went the same secondary school in Tel Aviv. " Today I am at my fourth funeral, "
The principal, Avraham Benvinisti, said, " and there are more to come. " Only minutes earlier he had stood over the
Grave of another pupil, Irina Nepomniashy, who arrived from Tashkent four years ago and was in the business
Stream at the Shevah-Mofet school. Friends say she was determined to make something of her life, to rise above
The conditions that trapped her father in a factory job paying less than ё500 a month. But her death brought an
Added cruelty. She was buried away from the other teenagers, shunned by the religious authorities because they
Did not consider her ritually Jewish. Her grave, heaped with bouquets and small memorial candles, stands in a
Cluster of oleander bushes, isolated even from the section of the graveyard reserved for the unknown dead,
Because the religious authorities only recognise Jews born of Jewish mothers, and Irina's mother, Raisa, is a
Muslim. In the throes of their grief the Nepomniashy family did not have the reserves of strength to protest at the
Insult. They merely gave in to quiet grumbling after Raisa was carried from her only daughter's grave in the arms of
Two friends. A cousin, Alexander Nepomniashy, said the justice minister, Meir Shitreet, had promised the family
That Irina would be buried with her classmates, but when they arrived at the cemetery other arrangements had
Been made. " She lived here with everybody together, so she should have been buried with everyone together, " Mr
Nepomniashy said. " As I see it now, Israel never really accepted her because it would not let her be buried like
Everybody else. "
~Противник, вскрывающий ваши ошибки,
гораздо полезнее, чем друг, скрывающий их. (Л. да Винчи)