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List of countries the USA has bombed

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Agnitum местный житель08.04.03 21:21
08.04.03 21:21 
China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Libya 1986
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991-2002
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Croatia 1995
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998 (airliner)
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999
Afghanistan 2001-02
Iraq 2003
Germany 1943-1945
http://www.davidbeaumont.btinternet.co.uk/msf/listbombed.html
#1 
Neapel гость08.04.03 21:54
Neapel
08.04.03 21:54 
in Antwort Agnitum 08.04.03 21:21
не легче ли было бы перечислить еще не тронутые америкой страны..
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Kelly2003 старожил08.04.03 21:56
Kelly2003
08.04.03 21:56 
in Antwort Agnitum 08.04.03 21:21
ну и что далще??
My life- my way,,,,,
Кино, Вино и Домино Kino, Vino i Domino
#3 
Khimik Химик08.04.03 23:30
Khimik
08.04.03 23:30 
in Antwort Kelly2003 08.04.03 21:56
Вы хотите спросить - кто дальше?
Среди интеллигентов тоже попадаются умные люди (М.Булгаков)
http://groups.germany.ru/86401
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Shурик постоялец08.04.03 23:37
08.04.03 23:37 
in Antwort Agnitum 08.04.03 21:21
Мало что-то бомбили. И почему там нет Германии? Необъективно, однако... Эти гады еще и СССР в войне с Гитлером бомбардировщики поставляли... и заводы авиационные Сталину за Уралом строили...
#5 
Kelly2003 старожил09.04.03 00:39
Kelly2003
09.04.03 00:39 
in Antwort Khimik 08.04.03 23:30
ja xochu skazat make your point!
My life- my way,,,,,
Кино, Вино и Домино Kino, Vino i Domino
#6 
Agnitum местный житель09.04.03 04:12
09.04.03 04:12 
in Antwort Shурик 08.04.03 23:37
edit
#7 
Altwad свой человек09.04.03 11:32
Altwad
09.04.03 11:32 
in Antwort Agnitum 08.04.03 21:21
А вы не скажете? Где хуже стало?
От амперыалысыческого капыталызму.
P.S. Про Южную Корею попрошу подробнее.
Не делай сегодня то что можно сделать завтра, потому что завтра это может не понадобится.
#8 
Agnitum местный житель09.04.03 11:49
09.04.03 11:49 
in Antwort Altwad 09.04.03 11:32
не тот топик. тут про бомбы
#9 
Agnitum местный житель09.04.03 12:03
09.04.03 12:03 
in Antwort Kelly2003 08.04.03 21:56
дальше то, что страна ваша каждие 4 года "порядок" бомбами наводила
#10 
Altwad свой человек09.04.03 12:21
Altwad
09.04.03 12:21 
in Antwort Agnitum 09.04.03 11:49
Пойду попрошу знакомого акына про бомбы┘.. сочинить.
┘┘┘..
┘┘┘..
┘┘┘
Сходил┘┘
Бомба упала.
Бомба взорвалась.
Бомба упала.
Бомба взорвалась.
Бомба упала.
Бомба взорвалась.
Бомба упала.
Бомба взорвалась.
Ну а есль об бомбах то при ч╦м тут ╚Iran 1998 (airliner)╩
Не делай сегодня то что можно сделать завтра, потому что завтра это может не понадобится.
#11 
Malthus посетитель09.04.03 12:35
Malthus
09.04.03 12:35 
in Antwort Agnitum 08.04.03 21:21
далее везде ...
#12 
Agnitum местный житель09.04.03 13:10
09.04.03 13:10 
in Antwort Altwad 09.04.03 12:21
В ответ на:

Ну а есль об бомбах то при чём тут ╚Иран 1998 (аирлинер)╩


см. ссылку.

В ответ на:

Бомба упала.
Бомба взорвалась.


Да, чернобыл и армия сделали свое дело

#13 
Altwad свой человек09.04.03 13:27
Altwad
09.04.03 13:27 
in Antwort Agnitum 09.04.03 13:10
Мда┘┘.
┘┘┘
┘┘┘
уж┘┘┘┘.
Курултай акынов вам не для вашего понимания.
А ссылку┘┘┘ ссылку мож и переводить не надо?
Как бомба американская иранский самолёт сбила, это потребуется много фантазийного напрягания, не смогём┘┘┘ (вы-ж об бомбах только просили глаголить?)
Не делай сегодня то что можно сделать завтра, потому что завтра это может не понадобится.
#14 
Essener гость09.04.03 13:28
Essener
09.04.03 13:28 
in Antwort Agnitum 09.04.03 13:10
Слышь, братан, такое ощущение, что эти бомбардировки коснулись и тебя лично. Доплни список своими боевыми ранениями и контузиями в вышеперечисленных местах.
#15 
Agnitum местный житель09.04.03 13:36
09.04.03 13:36 
in Antwort Essener 09.04.03 13:28
КумЕ, Це, Вы де ж такых гыдкыв выразив набралыся, "братан"
Чы, шыристь украйнска так и ПРЕ??
#16 
Agnitum местный житель09.04.03 13:40
09.04.03 13:40 
in Antwort Altwad 09.04.03 13:27
дабы усмирить ваш пыл. Прочитайте (если англ. знаете) а коль нет можете и далще в невежестве влачить свое существование.
<3/20/1998
First Article:
SEA OF LIES - The inside story of how an America naval vessel blundered into an attack on Iran Air 655 at the height of tensions during the Iran-Iraq War, and how the Pentagon tried to cover its tracks after 290 innocent civilians died. Newsweek, July 13, 1992
Exclusive -
On July 3, 1988, and American warship shot down an Iranian airliner, killing 290 civilians. This is the true story of how it happened -- and how the Pentagon tried to cover up the tragic blunder.

SEA OF LIES
The modern navy has many ladders. Its officers can earn their stripes at sea or in the air. They can prosper by navigating the shoals of technocracy. But the one sure path to glory is the same as in the Roman times: victory at sea. Sailing in harm's way is a matter of vocation.
Capt. Will Rogers III, USN, spent his career preparing for combat. Winning his commission in December 1965 at the age of 27, Rogers came late to the navy, but he made up for lost time with a gung-ho attitude and - after a spell on the staff of the chief of naval operations - friends in high places. In 1987, Rogers won command of the navy's most prized high-tech warship, an Aegis cruiser. The billion-dollar Vincennes seemed a sure ticket to flag rank. But Rogers, who like many peacetime naval officers had never been under fire, longed to see action.
On July 3, 1988 Captain Rogers got his wish. He sought out and engaged the enemy in a sea battle in the Persian Gulf. From the captain's chair of a warship combat information center, he made life-and -death decisions in the heat of conflict. It was the moment he had yearned and trained for, and it should have been the apex of his life in the service.
Only it wasn't much of a battle. Rogers had blundered into a murky, half-secret confrontation between the United States and Iran that the politicians did not want to declare and the top brass was not eager to wage. The enemy was not a disciplined naval force but ragtag irregulars in lightly armed speedboats. Fighting them with an Aegis cruiser was like shooting at rabbits with a radar-guided missile. And when it was over, the only confirmed casualties were innocent civilians: 290 passengers and crew in an Iranian Airbus that Captain Rogers's men mistook for an enemy warplane.
The destruction Iran Air Flight 655 was an appalling human tragedy. It damaged America's world standing. It almost surely caused Iran to delay the release of the American hostages in Lebanon. It may have given the mullahs a motive for revenge and provoked Tehran into playing a role in the December 1988 bombing of Pan Am 103. For the navy, it was a professional disgrace. The navy's most expensive surface warship, designed to track and shoot down as many as 200 incoming missiles at once, had blown apart an innocent civilian airliner in its first time in combat. What's more, NEWSWEEK has learned , the Vincennes was inside Iranian territorial waters a the time of the shoot-down - in clear violation of international law. The top Pentagon brass understood from the beginning that if the whole truth about the Vincennes came out, it would means months of humiliating headlines. So the U.S. Navy did what all navies do after terrible blunders at sea: it told lies and handed out medals.
This is the story of a naval fiasco, of an overeager captain, panicked crewmen, and the cover-up that followed. A NEWSWEEK investigation, joined by ABC News's "Nightline," encountered months of stone-walling by senior naval officers. Some of the evasions were products of simple denial; a number of the seamen and officers aboard the Vincennes that morning in July 1988 are still in therapy today, wrestling with guilt. But the Pentagon's official investigation into the incident, the Fogarty Report, is a pastiche of omissions, half-truths and outright deceptions. It was a cover-up approved at the top, by Adm. William Crowe, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Captain Rogers insisted to "Nightline" last week that he had made the "proper decision." He had opened fire only to protect his ship and crew, he said. But drawing on declassified documents, videotapes and audiotapes from the ships involved in the incident, and well over 100 interviews, NEWSWEEK has pieced together an account that belies the skipper's stoic defense. It is almost a parable for an era of "limited" warfare, with its blurry rules of engagement and its lethal technology in frightened young hands. It is as well an age-old story of hubris, of a warrior who wanted war too much.
A MURKY MORNING
At 6:33 local time on the Vincennes, on the morning of July 2, the phone buzzed in Will Rogers's cramped sleeping quarters. The captain was shaving. Already, just two hours after the sunrise, the 100-degree heat of the sun was overwhelming the ship's air- conditioning systems. Fine-grained sand whipped across the gulf from the Arabian Desert, creating a yellowish haze. Rogers picked up the phone. It was the duty officer in the ship's combat information center, the nerve center two decks below Rogers's sea cabin: "Skipper, you better come down. It sounds like the Montgomery has her nose in a beehive."
Some 50 miles to the northeast, the U.S. Navy frigate Montgomery was coming through the western entrance of the Strait of Hormuz. Everyday, tankers bearing half the world's imported oil wend their way through the strait, only 32 miles wide at its choke point. The Iran-Iraq War had turned the strait into a gauntlet. Gunboats of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, based on the islands of Hengam and Abu Musa, had been attacking tankers and merchantmen bound to and from Kuwait, Iraq's main ally in the war. Anxious to keep Kuwait's oil flowing, the United States had agreed to provide escort to Kuwait tankers registered under the U.S. flag.
On this July morning, the Montgomery spotted a half-dozen Revolutionary Guard launches venturing out from the island hideouts. On this own, Rogers decided to enter the fray. At 6:33 the Vincennes log records, he ordered "all ahead flank." The cruiser's four massive gas-turbine engines cranked up to 80,000 horsepower and sent the warship smashing through the waves at 30 knots.
By 6:50 - according to the official version of events later offered by the navy - the Montgomery had spotted 13 Iranians gunboats in the strait. Several were said be milling about near a Liberian tanker called the Stoval. At 7:11, the Montgomery reported hearing "five to seven" explosions coming from the vicinity of the tanker. It was only when the radio crackled with the report of these mysterious explosions that the fleet headquarters in Bahrain thought to call the Vincennes. Rear Admiral Anthony Less, the commander of the Joint Taskforce-Middle East, ordered the cruiser northeast to support the Montgomery. The Bahrain command wasn't interested in drawing the Vincennes into action, however. Admiral Less merely wanted to dispatch the Vincennes's helicopter on a reconnaissance mission. So Capt. Richard McKenna, Less's chief of surface warfare, relayed what he thought were clear orders to Rogers: send your helo north to investigate, but keep your ship farther south, in case more boats emerge from the Revolutionary Guard base on Abu Musa.
At 7:22, the Vincennes's SH-60B Seahawk helicopter lifted off and sped north; within 20 minutes it was circling over the Iranian gunboats. The pilot of Ocean Lord 25, Lt. Mark Collier, found the gunboats hovering around a German cargo vessel, the Dhaulagiri. They weren't shooting. It was a common harassment tactic.
In Bahrain, as he listened to the radio traffic, Capt. Richard Watkins, Admiral Lee's chief of staff, decided that the situation was, as he later put it, "defusing." He left the flag plot to do some paperwork. But aboard the Vincennes, things were just heating up. With a blast of the klaxon, Rogers sent his crew to battle stations and ordered the small arms stations along the sides of his ship into readiness against small-craft attack.
The Vincennes had a dubious reputation inside the U.S. fleet in the gulf. Officers on other ships sarcastically referred to the ship as "Robocruiser." In deskbound war games in San Diego, just before the Vincennes left for the gulf, Rogers consistently pushed beyond the exercise's rules of engagement, according to another participant. At a Subic Bay, Philippines, briefing on the rules of engagement in the Persian Gulf, the most senior officer attending from the Vincennes was a lieutenant. In early June, Rogers infuriated Capt. Roger Hattan, the commander of the frigate USS Sides, by ordering him to close in on an Iranian warship in a way he deemed provocative. Hattan refused - and fleet headquarters in Bahrain backed him up. By early July, Rogers was widely regarded as "trigger happy," according to several high-ranking officers.
He was unquestionably eager to get at the gunboats trailing after the Mongtomery, Onward the Vincennes charges, past the German merchantman (which nonchalantly flashed an "A-OK" signal) until it drew abreast of the Montgomery at 8:38. By now Oman's coast guard was on the radio, ordering the Revolutionary Guard boats to head home. The Omanis wanted the Vincennes to leave, too. "U.S. Navy warship," an Omani officer intoned over the radio, "maneuvering at speeds up to 30 knots are not in accordance with innocent passage. Please leave Omani water." By chance, a navy cameraman named Rudy Pahoyo was aboard the Vincennes that day, shooting videotape on the bridge. His video captures the officers' response to the Omani request. They smirked at each other, and did not bother to reply.
The Omanis weren't the only ones who wanted the Vincennes out of the area. At 8:40, Captain McKenna in Bahrain returned to his command center and was startled to see that the Vincennes was on the top of the Omani peninsula - about 40 miles north from where he believed he had ordered Rogers to remain. In some irritation, McKena called Rogers and asked what he was doing. Rogers reported that he was supporting his helo, and that he'd been having communication problems. Unimpressed, McKenna told him to head back toward Abu Musa. "You want me to what?" Rogers bristled over the circuit, McKenna could hear chortles of laughter from the Vincennes combat information center. Now angry, McKenna delivered a flat order: the Vincennes must come south - and the Montgomery too. He was furious at the attitude of the captain and officers of the hotshot billion-dollar cruiser. "Aegis arrogance," he muttered to himself. Rogers grudgingly obeyed the order - but he left his helo behind to watch the Iranian boats. It was to be a fatal mistake.
In the cockpit of Ocean Lord 25, pilot Mark Collier could not resist the temptation to follow the gunboats north, as they retreated toward their island lair. He later explained that he wanted to drop down and see how many men were aboard the launches, and how they were armed. He almost found out the hard way. As he banked around them, Collier saw what he later describes as "eight to 10 bursts of light" and "sparks...just a big spark" in the sky 100 yards from his helo. He though for a moment it was the sun glinting off of a boat, but then he saw puffs of smoke. "Did you see that?" Collier, called out to Petty Officer Scott Zilge. "Yeah," Zilge replied. "Let's get out of here. That was an airburst - antiaircraft fire." As Colier dropped the helo to the safety of 100 feet, the aircraft's commander, Lt. Roger Huff, sitting in the co-pilot's seat, radioed the Vincennes: "Trinity Sword. This is Ocean Lord 25. We're taking fire. Executing evasion."
In the combat information center, this was all Rogers needed. At last the gunboats had committed a hostile act. Under the navy's rules of engagement in the gulf, Rogers could order hot pursuit. "General Quarters," he snapped. "Full power." Once again, the Vincennes forged north at 30 knots.
Meanwhile, some 200 miles to the southeast, on station just inside the mouth of the Gulf of Oman, lay the aircraft carrier USS Forestall. In his flag plot, Rear Admiral Leighton (Snuffy) Smith, commander of Carrier Battle Group 6, heard the Vincennes's breathless news that its helo had been fired upon, and that the cruiser was pursuing the attackers. At 9:14, Smith ordered the launch of two F-14 fighters and two A-7 attack planes. By 9:28, they had blasted off from the carrier deck. The planes were not to jump onto the fight: that was a sure recipe for "blue on blue" as the navy terms U.S. warships shooting down U.S. aircraft. Rather the warplanes headed for Point Alpha, a rendezvous point 50 miles outside the Strait of Hormuz. Once there, they would be less than 80 miles - seven minutes flying time - from the Vincennes.
But Rogers was not thinking about air support at that moment. He was intent on the Iranian gunboats swirling ahead. The task as not easy. Aegis cruisers were not designed for small-craft battles. They were built to take on the Soviet Navy in the North Atlantic. The Aegis's ultra-high tech radar system is designed to track scores of incoming missiles and aircraft in a major sea battle. The Iranian launches were so small that as they bobbed on the swell, they flickered in and out of the Vincennes's surface search radar, showing up not as separate targets but as a single symbol on the radar screen. Impatiently, Rogers turned to his tactical action officer, Lt. Cmdr. Victor Guillory. "Can the bridge see anything?" he demand. The bridge reported that it could occasionally glimpse the wakes of a few boats as flashes through the haze.
At 9:39, still lacking a clear target, Rogers radioed fleet headquarters and announced his intention to open fire. In Bahrain, Admiral Lee's staff was uneasy. Captain Watkins quizzed Rogers on his position and the bearing of the gunboats. Finally, he asked "Are the contacts clearing the area?" The question could have been a show stopper. Judging from later testimony, few in the Vincennes CIC that day believed that the ship was under attack. In fact, the gunboats were just slowly milling about - evidently under the impression that they were safe in their own territorial waters. Through the haze, it is doubtful that the low-slung launches could have seen the Vincennes. Rogers, however, continued to argue for permission to shoot. On the bridge, the lookouts reported that though their giant "Big Eyes" - they could see the launches' wake more clearly now, turning randomly this way and that. A couple seemed to be heading in the direction of the Vincennes.
For Rogers, that was enough. He reported to Bahrain that he gunboats were gathering speed and showing hostile intent. Again, he announced his intention to open fire. Aboard his command ship, Less finally concurred. The time was 9:41. On the bridge, the chief quartermaster had just called out that the Vincennes had now crossed the 12- mile limit off the coast - into Iranians waters. the Vincennes was operating in violation of international law, but Rogers was not paying attention to juridical niceties. Commander Guillory ordered the Vincennes's guns to fire when ready. Two minutes later the ship's five-inch gun opened up on its first target, a launch 8,000 yards away.
Some 25 miles to the east, aboard the frigate USS Sides, Capt. David Carlson listened and watched Rogers's maneuvering with mounting incredulity. "Why doesn't he just push his rudder over and get his ass out of there?" muttered one of the frigate's officers. When Carlson heard Less assent to Rogers's request to open fire, Carlson turned to his number two, Lt. Commander Gary Erickson, and gave two thumbs down. Carlson thought there was going to be a massacre. He had no idea.
FLIGHT OF THE INTRUDER
Some 55 miles to the northeast, at precisely 9:45:30, Iran Air Capt. Mohsen Rezaian announced to the tower at Bandar Abbas airport that his A300B2 Airbus was ready for takeoff. A minute later, he throttled up his two General Electric CF6 engines and lifted the airline into the haze. His course would take the plane and its human cargo southwest to Dubai, in the United Arab Emirates. Though Rezaian could not know it, his flight path would also go almost directly over the USS Vincennes.
At that moment Captain Rogers was sitting in his own cockpit - the darkened, windowless combat information center of the Vincennes, directing a sea battle by remote control. To the uninitiated, the CIC of an Aegis cruiser looks like a luxury video arcade. Rows of operators hunch over radio consoles, each monitoring one element of the battle. All the information from their screens is then integrated by the mighty Aegis computer into, literally, the "big picture" - thrown up as symbols on maps displayed on four giant 42-inch-by-42-inch screens at the head of the room where the captain and his two "battle mangers" sit. The $400 million Aegis system can track every aircraft within 300 miles. Its computers tag each contact with the symbol for "friendly," "hostile" or "unidentified" (chart, page 32). In war at sea, Aegis is expected to seek and identify all airborne threats to an entire carrier battle group, to display the speed and direction of each, and to rank them by the danger they present. Aegis is so powerful that it can not only track up to 200 incoming enemy aircraft or missiles, but also command missiles to shoot them down . In the full-scale war against the Soviet Union for which Aegis was designed, the captain and the crew would have had little choice but to switch the system to automatic - and duck.
In the cramped and ambiguous environment of the Persian gulf, however, Rogers chose to rely on his own judgment and the combat skills of his crew. Those skills had never been tested. Indeed, some experts question whether even the best-trained crew could handle, under stress, the torrent of data that Aegis would pour on them. A 1988 Government Accounting Office report accused the navy of rigging Aegis sea trials by tipping the crews off to the precise nature the "threats" they were to face. The navy could not afford to risk failure in the trails for fear that Congress would stop funding the Aegis program.
Some of the Vincennes's most senior officers were less than adept at computerized warfare. Under normal procedures, Captain Rogers rarely touched his console. He could have delegated the battle against the launches to Guillory, his tactical officer for surface warfare. But Rogers didn't entirely trust Guillory, a former personnel officer who was uncomfortable with computers (His fellow officers in personnel snickered because , one said, instead of plotting job changes by computer spreadsheet, he used his computer screen as a surface for "self-stick" notes.) In essence, the skipper pushed Guillory aside and ran the battle himself. Rogers set the range on the "big picture" display screen in front of him to 16 miles, to focus on the gunboats. He was oblivious to anything beyond.
At 9:47, the Vincennes's powerful Spy radar picked up a distant blip - a plane lifting off from the airport at Bander Abbas. The blip was in fact Iran Air's Flight 655 on its twice-a-week milk run to Dubai. But since Bander Abbas is a military as well as a civilian airport, any flights out over the gulf was automatically "tagged" by the navy ships as "assumed hostile." At his computer console in the Vincennes's CIC, Petty Office Andrew Anderson saw the blip for an incoming bogey go up on one side of the big blue screens. Anderson's job in "Air Alley," the row of operators who handled air warfare, was to identify any air traffic within range of the ship. He told the Aegis system to query the incoming plane: Identify, Friend or Foe? By standard practice, all planes carry a transponder that automatically answers the IFF query with Mode 1 or 2 (military), or Mode 3 (civilian). Anderson got a Mode 3. "Commair" (commercial airliner) he figured. He reached beside his console for the navy's listing of commercial flights over the gulf. But as he scanned the schedule, he missed Flight 655. Apparently, in the darkness of the CIC, its arc lights flickered every time the Vincennes's five-inch gun fired off another round at the hapless Iranian gunboats, he was confused by the gulf's four different time zones.
Anderson turned to the petty officer next to him in Air Alley, John Leach, and wondered aloud if the blip could be an Iranian warplane - an F-4 or F-14 perhaps? Their boss in Air Alley, Lt. Clay Zocher, overheard the two enlisted men talking, Zocher was already nervous. He had stood on this watch only twice before during General Quarters and he'd never mastered the computer routines for his console. He was worrying at the moment about an Iranian P-3 patrol plane that was making its way down the Iranian coastline. Could the P-3 be coordinating an attack on the Vincennes with the unidentified bogey? Zocher decided to pass the chatter in Air Alley up the chain of command to his boss, Lt. Cmdr. Scott Lustig, the Vincennes' tactical commander for air warfare.
Lustig ordered Zocher to flash the incoming plane a warning: "Unidentified aircraft...You are approaching a United States naval warship in international waters." It was the standard challenge, broadcast over the international distress frequencies routinely monitored by military and commercial aircraft. Briefly, Lustig considered another option. On the display screen in front of him Lustig could see that the Forestall's F-14s where circling just five minutes away. There was enough time - barely - to call them in to check out the bogey.

The Forestall, too, had seen the blip on its radar screens. In the air, the F-14 pilots were itching to close in; a bogey out of Iran, heading for an American warship, are a rare opportunity for combat-hungry aviators. Aboard the carrier, Admiral Smith held them off. His staff was telling him that the blip was most likely a commercial airliner. But Smith stuck to the navy rule that the captain on the spot makes the decisions. He decided to let Rogers fight his own battle.
Aboard the Vincennes, it was now 9:49. Rogers was totally consumed with his fire fight against the gunboats. He was shouting for the five-inch-gun crew to load faster, and ordered hard-right rudder to bring his stern gun to bear. The ship shuddered and heeled to starboard.
Military theorists write about "friction", the inevitability of error, accident and miscalculation in the stress of combat. The architects of modern warfare have tried to use the technology to minimize battlefield blindness. But the electronic babble in a combat information center can be just as confusing. Officers and men communicate by headphones over several channels, with left and right ears usually listening to different circuits. Rogers and his key officers in the CIC were all on the same circuit - but so was half of the ship. Ingenious crewmen had discovered they could tap into the "command net" to hear the action over their Sony Walkmans. But in so doing, they drained power and the volume faded. Whenever it got too low, Lustig had to yell "Switch" so everyone could turn to an alternate command circuit. Then the hackers would switch to that channel, too.
Over this erratic "net," a few seconds after 9:50, someone called out that the incoming plane was a "possible Astro" - the code word for an F-14. No one was ever able to find out who. In Air Alley, the operators thought the word came from the technicians in the ship's electronic-warfare suite. The technicians thought the warning came from Air Alley. Galvanized by this warning, Petty Officer Anderson again beamed out an IFF query. Ominously, the response he know got back was different. Upon his console flashed Mode 2: military aircraft. Only much later did the investigators figure out that Anderson had forgotten to reset the range on his IFF device. The Mode 2 did not come from the Airbus, climbing peacefully above the gulf, but from an Iranian military plane, probably a military transport, still on the runway back in Bander Abbas.
"Possible Astro!" Anderson sang out, at a moment of near chaos in the CIC. It was 9:51. Having swung full circle, Rogers was now bringing his reloaded forward gun to bear on the Iranian launches. The gun fired off 11 rounds - and jammed. The skipper again ordered the rudder hard over. The stern swung around, and in the CIC, papers and books toppled of consoles as the ship heeled over. At his station to Rogers's left, Lustig looked at his screen. The incoming plane was 32 miles away. What do we do? he asked Rogers.
His commanding officer was not too overwhelmed by the Iranian speedboats to forget the woeful example of Capt. Glenn Brindel, the skipper of the USS Stark. A year earlier, Brindel had been in the head when his ship was struck and almost sunk by a pair of anti-ship missiles fired by the pilot of a lone Iraqi Mirage F-1. Rogers decided that the Vincennes fire control radar would "paint" any possible hostile plane that got within 30 miles. At 20 miles, the Vincennes would shoot it down.
Rogers was not absolutely sure that his ship did face an enemy warplane . The plane seemed too high - some 7,000 feet - for an attack approach. At his rear, another officer, Lt. William Mountford, warned "possible commair." Three more times, the warnings went out: "Iranian fighter...you are steering into danger and are subject to United States naval defensive measures."
Then something happened that psychologists call "scenario fulfillment" - you see what you expect. Petty Officers Anderson and Leach both began singing out that the aircraft, now definitively tagged on the big screen as an F-14, was descending and picking up speed. The tapes of the CIC's data later showed no such thing. Anderson's screen showed that the plane was travelling 380 knots at 12,000 feet and climbing. Yet Anderson was shouting out that the speed was 455 knots, the altitude 7,800 feet and descending.
Rogers had to make a decision. An F-14 could do little damage to the Vincennes. The version that Washington sold to its ally the Shah of Iran in the early 1970's was purely a fighter plane, not configured to strike surface targets. Still, if Rogers meant to attack it with a missile, he had to fire before the aircraft closed much within 10 miles. At 9:54:05, with the plane 11 miles away, Rogers reached up and switched the firing key to "free" the ship's SM-2 antiaircraft missiles. In Air Alley, Zocher had been given the green light to fire. The young lieutenant was so undone, however, that he pressed the wrong keys on his console 23 times. A veteran petty officer had to lean over and hit the right ones. In the CIC, the lights dimmed momentarily, like a prison's during an electrocution.
Some 10 miles away, Captain Rezaian of Iran Air was calmly reporting to Bander Abbas that he had reached his first check-point crossing the gulf. He heard none of the Vincennes warnings. His four radio bandwidths were taken up with air-control chatter. "Have a nice day," the tower radioed. "Thank you, good day," replied the pilot. Thirty seconds later, the first missile blew the left wing off his aircraft.
On the Vincennes's bridge, cameraman Rudy Pahayo was still filming. His audio captured a babble of voices: "Oh, dead!" "Coming down!" "We had him dead on!" One voice commanded: "Hold the noise down, knock it off!" Another shouted, "Direct hit!" then a lookout came in from the wing of the bridge. The target couldn't have been an F-14, he said. The wreckage falling from the sky, he murmured to the Vincennes's executive officer, Cmdr. Richard Foster, is bigger than that.
A few miles away, on the bridge of the Montgomery, crewmen gaped as a large wing of a commercial airliner, with an engine pod still attached, plummeted into the sea. Aboard the USS Sides, 19 miles away, Captain Carlson was told that his top radar man reckoned the plane had been a commercial airliner. Carlson almost vomited, he said later.
On the Vincennes, there was an eerie silence. The five-inch guns ceased their pounding. None of the Revolutionary Guard boats had come within 5,000 yards of the cruiser. No one was sure how many had been hit; perhaps one, perhaps more. Rogers gave the order to head south, out of Iranian waters.
ANATOMY OF A COVER-UP
In Washington, almost 11 hours later, at 1:30 pm EST, Adm. William Crowe, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, stepped to the podium in the Pentagon press room. Formal in his summer whites, the admiral told reporters there had been a terrible accident. Stressing that the information was incomplete, relying on what he had been told by Captain Rogers, Crowe said that the Iranian airliner was flying outside the commercial air corridor and had failed to respond to repeated warnings. The plane had been descending and picking up speed when it closed in on the Vincennes. Rogers had only been protecting his ship. A large map showed the position of the Vincennes at the time of the shoot-down. It was well within international waters.
At the United Nations, the Iranians compared the tragedy to the Soviet shoot-down of Korea Air Lines 007 in 1983. The White House decided that Vice President George Bush should defend the United States before the U.N. Security Council. The job of preparing the case fell to Richard Williamson, the assistant secretary of state for international organizations. He found it exceedingly difficult to get answers out of Crowe's staff, who were handling the affair at the Pentagon. Suspicious, he warned the vice president's chief of staff, Craig Fuller, to be very careful about committing Bush to any facts. Fuller's reaction was that he never trusted the Pentagon anyway. Bush's speech focused on the need to end the Iran-Iraq War. But what facts it did include were wrong. The vice-president claimed that the Vincennes had rushed to defend a merchantman under attack by Iran.
By July 14, the day of Bush's speech, the Pentagon knew the truth but failed to share it with the vice president. The tapes of the Vincennes Aegis system, with its combat and navigational data reached the United States on July 5 and what they showed was reported to the Pentagon on July 10. The Vincennes had been in Iranian territorial waters. The Iranian airliner was well within the commercial air corridor and had been ascending, not descending. There was no beleaguered merchant vessel.
The cover-up was compounded by the official report on the incident. On July 3, Crowe chose Rear Adm. William Fogarty , a senior officer on the staff of Central Command, which controls military operations in the Middle East, to investigate. Crowe sent his own legal advisor, Capt. Richard DeBobes, to sit at Fogarty's side at Centcom headquarters in Tampa as he prepared his report.
The investigation was notable for the questions it failed to ask. The commanders on the carrier Forestall were never interviewed; nor was Captain McKenna, the surface warfare commander in Bahrain whose orders Rogers ignored. McKenna's staff mailed a tape of his tense exchange with Rogers before the sea battle, but never received a response. The report released to the public did not include any chart of navigational data to show the Vincennes' position at the time of the shoot-down.
The map displayed by Fogarty when he briefed Congress in September placed the Vincennes and its helicopters well clear of Iranian waters and erroneously reported the position of the Montgomery. Fogarty produced stills from the Aegis-generated map of events displayed in the Vincennes's CIC. According to three sources on board the Vincennes that day, the real map had shown Hengam Island, Iranian territory less than nine miles from the Vincennes at the time of the shootdown. On the frames shown by Fogarty, the island was simply deleted - miraculously placing the Vincennes safely in international waters once more. Asked about the Forestall's aircraft by inquiring lawmakers, Fogarty put them 180 miles, then 250 miles away, even though those same Aegis stills show them clearly tagged only 75 miles from the Vincennes.
Most mysteriously, Fogarty told the Senate Armed Services Committee that the Vincennes had been racing to rescue a Liberian tanker, the Stoval, that morning. There is no such tanker reported in any ship registry. According to two sources, including a naval officer involved in the investigation, the Stoval was a decoy, a phantom conjured up by fake radio messages to lure out the Iranian gunboats. According to these sources, the Iranian aggression that Vice President Bush had so vigorously decried at the United Nations had in fact been in the trial run for an American sting operation.
The navy might have gotten away with all of these deceptions had it not been for the slow grinding of international law. A lawsuit by the Iranian government has now forced Washington to admit, grudgingly, that the Vincennes was actually in Iranian waters - although Justice Department pleadings still claim the cruiser was forced there in self- defense. The admission is contained in fine print in legal briefs; it has never received public attention until Crowe, confronted with the evidence, conceded the truth last week on "Nightline." Crowe denies any cover-up; if mistakes were made, he told NEWSWEEK, they were "below my pay grade." Rogers continues to insist that his ship was in international waters.
In the end, of course, Will Rogers will not get an admiral's two-inch gold stripe. He instructed navy captains in San Diego for two years before retiring honorably in August 1991. The men of the Vincennes were all awarded combat-action ribbons. Commander Lustig, the air-warfare coordinator, even won the navy's Commendation Medal for "heroic achievement," his "ability to maintain his poise and confidence under fire," enabled him to "quickly and precisely complete the firing procedure." Given the target he was firing at, the commendation seems rather surreal. But so was the atmosphere in the Vincennes CIC that July morning, and the attempt, in months and years that followed, to cover up what happened there.
--John Barry is NEWSWEEK's national security correspondent. Roger Charles is a retired Marine colonel and military intelligence officer who is now a freelance writer in Washington. Also reporting were Daniel Pederson in London, Christopher Dickey in Paris, Theresa Waldrop in Bonn, Donna Foote in Los Angeles, Tony Clifton in New York and Peter Annin in Houston.
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"EXPATS - Travels Through Arabia, From Tripoli to Tehran" by Christopher Dickey, Newsweek Bureau Chief in Paris, ISBN 0-87113-337-7.
p. 203:
" Iran Air 655 was a commuter flight, a regular 140 mile, 35 minute jumbo jet milk run over the war zone (this is the Iran-Iraq War). The pilot, Capt. Mohsen Rezaian, was trained in the US. His 5 year old daughter was born there. His sister-in-law lived in Norman, Oklahoma. His job was simple: take off from the Bandar Abbass airport in Iran, climb to an altitude of about 14000 feet, then start to descend. Stay within a 25-mile-wide commercial airline corridor and stay in touch with the towers. First, Bandar Abbass and then at Dubai. To identify himself to controllershis airplane a transponder that showed it on monitoring equipment as a civilian flight. The signal was called IFF: Identify Friend or Foe."...
"Later, months later, the US Navy internal investigation would determine that Captain Rezaian had done everything right." ....
" In the darkened war room of the ship, the Combat Information Center, where the Captain and his high tech team were watching the computer screens, one man shouted out "Possible COMAIR." Possible commercial airline. The Captain raised his hand to acknowledge the info. But everyone else was still saying F-14." ...
(p.207)
"At 10:47, the Airbus took off a few mintes behind schedule. The Vincennes, just 60 miles away, spotted it immediately and started pumping electronic information; AEGIS went into action. "UNKNOWN-ASSUMED ENEMY" came the message on the screen. A crew member checked a book of commercial flight schedules. Somehow, he missed IR-655. ...The Vincennes started issuing warnings over the radio. Maybe Captain Rezaian had the right frequency, maybe he didn't; but in anycase the warnings were "Iranian F-14, this is USN warship heading 199, 20 miles. Request you change course immediately." Captain Rezaian was flying an Airbus, 177 feet long, with a wingspan of 147 feet and weighing 170000 pounds. The Vincennes was warning off an F-14 a third of that size (with 38 foot wings, 62 foot long, weighing 48000 pounds.)"
"The Iran Air milk run continued. "Robocruiser" when into action. Captain Mohsen Rezaian was at 12000 feet and climbing. The Vincennes concluded it was at 9000 feet and diving. The Airbus was flying around 350 knots. The Vincennes concluded it was speeding at 450. The commercial flight was barely off the center-line of the 20-mile-wide corridor. The Vincennes concluded it was more than 4 miles outside the the commercial flight path. The cruical electronic sign of an attack - indicators that the plane was sweeping the ship with radar to aim its rockets, bombs, and guns - never showed. But the Vincennes fired....
The two Standards hit one after another."
"In its final report, the Navy concluded that the AEGIS system had performed just fine. Officially, though everything had gone wrong, no one was to blame.
On Air Air 655, where nothing had gone wrong, everybody was dead." ...
"On makeshift shrouds of those whose boodies had been identified was pinned names and addresses, and the slogan "Death to America." Of course, many bodies were mutilated beyond recognition. In some cases, entire families were wiped out. No one came to identify them. Of the 290 people on Iran Air 655, 170 corpses had been retreived. 40 were unidentified.
A few seemed oddly at peace. Leila Behbahani, 3 years old, was still dressed in her tidy blue dress, black shoes, white socks, and little gold bangles on her wrists. 25-year-old Fatima Faidazaida had been found in the water 3 hours after the crash, still clutching her baby. They were both in the same coffin."
(p. 210 - the funeral demonstrations after the crash) "Through 3 days in Tehran, the people treated me and other reporters with impeccable courtesy. Even as I worked my way through the crowd at the funeral for 76 of the flight's victims, no one displayed any hostility towards me. Ritualistically, en masse and on cue, they shouted "Death to America." But I was right in the middle of them and when anybody asked where I came from, I told them: the United States. Then they asked me "Why - why would the US government do this?" They were sure that the American people must regret such carnage. I heard again and again "The American people are not our enemies." So many of them had known Americans, worked with them, eaten and played and studied with them. The country was teeming with them back then, and if the Shah had brought corruption and eventually paved the way to chaos - with the backing of the US government - the American people the Iranians had known were generally agreeable types...."
"Think how an American crowd would have reacted if an Iranian reporter had been walking around in its midst after 290 civilians, more than 60 of them children, had been blown out of the air by an Iranian warship. Would the American people had differentiated between that Iranian and his government?"
"After 9 long years of agony, (since the 1979 revolution) Americans had come to see all Iranians as something not quite human - but something capable of the most atrocious, inhumane act. Just before I went to Iran, I was called in Dubai by a radio talk show host from the States wanting to know if the Iranians might have set up this whole thing, then just dumped all those naked corpses of women and children in the water. I didn't know what to say."
"Iranian Brig. Gen. Mansour Satary, trained in the US, made it clear he did not think the Americans actually intended to shoot down an unarmed civilian aircraft. He just thought that they didn't care enough to be carefull not to."
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Liability Week JR Publishing, Inc.
Monday, June 14, 1993
Vol. 8, No. 24

SUPREME COURT REFUSES TO REINSTATE LAWSUIT OVER IRANIAN JET
The Supreme Court refused June 7 to reinstate a lawsuit against the federal government by families of people killed when the USS Vincennes shot down an Iranian airliner over the Persian Gulf in 1988. Without comment, the court said it wouldn't hear Koohi v. U.S. (92-1504), in which relatives of those killed argued that the United States wasn't at war with Iran and therefore isn't immune from lawsuits over combat injuries.
All 290 aboard the Iran Air jet were killed when crew members of the American cruiser USS Vincennes mistook the plane for an Iranian fighter and shot it down July 3, 1988.
The Vincennes was in the Persian Gulf to help protect oil shipping during the Iran-Iraq war and had exchanged gunfire with several Iranian boats only minutes before the Iranian airliner took off on a flight to Dubai from a joint commercial-military airport at Bandar Abbas, Iran.
The Vincennes crew reported that the plane appeared to be maneuvering into an attack position before the U.S. ship downed it. The White House later said the Vincennes acted in justifiable self-defense.
Without acknowledging liability, the government paid about $2.9 million to non-Iranian relatives of passengers aboard the plane. It made no payments to Iranians because their country has filed a claim against the United States in an international court, Justice Department lawyers said. Relatives of some of the victims sued the federal government and four defense contractors that built the air defense system used on the Vincennes. A federal judge in San Francisco dismissed the lawsuit, and the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the dismissal on grounds that neither the government nor contractors can be sued for negligence by soldiers in wartime. "There can be no doubt that during the 'tanker war' a 'time of war' existed," the court said.

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истина! прохожий09.04.03 15:49
09.04.03 15:49 
in Antwort Agnitum 09.04.03 13:40
Au nom de la lutte contre la criminalité organisée, la chancellerie octroie des pouvoirs inédits à la police et aux procureurs dans la conduite des enquêtes préliminaires, même si elle a accepté, ces dernières semaines, de remanier son texte sous la pression des avocats, en prévoyant quelques garde-fous pour la défense. En transférant, dans certains cas, le pouvoir d'enquête aux procureurs, et non plus aux juges d'instruction, et en instaurant un "plaider coupable" à l'anglo-saxonne, le projet pourrait faire basculer la procédure française dans un système nettement plus accusatoire.
Erigé en "priorité pour les pouvoirs publics", le "renforcement de la lutte contre les formes modernes de délinquance ou de criminalité, qui relèvent très souvent de véritables réseaux mafieux particulièrement dangereux (...), nécessite de modifier en profondeur à la fois des dispositions de procédure pénale et de droit pénal", explique l'exposé des motifs du projet de loi. Partant du principe que le système judiciaire français n'est pas assez armé pour lutter contre les bandes mafieuses, la chancellerie a prévu de créer de "nouvelles règles procédurales" pour des infractions regroupées sous le vocable de "délinquance et criminalité organisée". Cette nouvelle catégorie recoupe des formes graves d'"atteintes à la personne" √ assassinat en bande organisée, tortures et actes de barbarie, trafics de stupéfiants, enlèvements et séquestrations, proxénétisme ou traite des êtres humains, actes de terrorisme √ ainsi que l'ensemble des infractions aggravées par la circonstance de bande organisée et les associations de malfaiteurs.
NOUVELLES PRÉROGATIVES
Afin de "renforcer l'efficacité" de la répression de ces infractions, le texte de la chancellerie prévoit d'octroyer des pouvoirs beaucoup plus importants qu'aujourd'hui aux policiers dans le cadre des enquêtes judiciaires conduites par le procureur.
La durée de l'enquête de flagrance, qui permet aux policiers de réaliser en urgence les premières investigations, sera doublée, passant de 8 à 15 jours. Les policiers pourront garder les personnes 4 jours consécutifs en garde à vue contre 48 heures actuellement ; ils pourront effectuer des perquisitions de nuit, une possibilité réservée jusqu'ici à la lutte contre le terrorisme ; ils auront la possibilité de placer les personnes sur écoutes téléphoniques, de façon "brève" ; enfin, ils pourront infiltrer les groupes délinquants sous une identité d'emprunt ou en utilisant des produits illicites.
L'usage de ces nouvelles prérogatives ne sera possible que sur autorisation, au coup par coup, du juge des libertés et de la détention (JLD), un magistrat du siège indépendant. Créé par la loi du 15 juin 2000 sur la présomption d'innocence pour mieux endiguer le nombre de détentions provisoires, le JLD est donc appelé à devenir un juge-surveillant du travail de la police et du parquet. Ces nouvelles prérogatives ont été critiquées par la Commission nationale consultative des droits de l'homme (CNCDH), qui a estimé, dans un avis du 27 mars, que ce magistrat sera "cantonné à un rôle de figuration" et qu'il ne pourra exercer qu'un "contrôle formel" sur le déroulement d'affaires complexes (Le Monde du 29 mars).
Il est vrai que les fonctions de JLD, jusqu'ici dévolues à des magistrats ayant rang de vice-présidents de tribunal, pourraient être confiées à des juges magistrats débutants, alors même que leurs responsabilités sont alourdies.
Aux termes du projet de loi, le procureur pourra donc faire usage de moyens de coercition (perquisitions, écoutes téléphoniques...) qui n'étaient jusqu'alors possibles qu'après saisine du juge d'instruction. Le magistrat instructeur, qui n'est déjà en charge que de moins de 7 % des affaires pénales, est donc contourné au profit d'un cadre procédural plus léger mais aussi moins respectueux des droits de la défense. Car les pouvoirs accrus du procureur dans le cadre des enquêtes ne s'accompagnent pas de contreparties aussi importantes pour les droits des personnes.
Tout se passe comme si la chancellerie souhaitait disposer des avantages du système accusatoire sans pour autant organiser une véritable égalité des armes avec la défense. Même si, concession faite "dans un souci d'équilibre", les avocats ont obtenu que "la personne qui a été placée en garde à vue et qui n'a pas fait l'objet de poursuites dans un délai de six mois" puisse interroger le procureur sur la suite de la procédure et éventuellement accéder au dossier.
Désormais doté de pouvoirs accrus en enquête, le procureur endosse, donc, avec ce projet de loi, un rôle pivot dans la procédure pénale. Ce magistrat, hiérarchiquement soumis à l'autorité du garde des sceaux, aura la possibilité de déterminer les affaires qui relèvent de la criminalité organisée, lesquelles seront déférées à des "juridictions interrégionales spécialisées".
Ces pôles, dont le nombre (entre 5 à 10) et la localisation seront fixés par décret, regrouperont magistrats et assistants spécialisés et seront dotés de moyens informatiques et d'analyse criminelle accrus. Le principe de pôles interrégionaux, dont le ressort couvrira plusieurs cours d'appel, a également été adopté pour les affaires sanitaires ainsi qu'économiques et financières.
Enfin, preuve supplémentaire de la place prépondérante accordée au procureur par le projet de la chancellerie : l'instauration d'un système de "plaider coupable" à la française, qui permettra au parquet de négocier avec le prévenu une peine moins sévère s'il reconnaît les faits. Cette procédure de "comparution sur reconnaissance préalable de culpabilité" pourra s'appliquer pour toute personne reconnaissant avoir commis un délit puni de 5 ans d'emprisonnement au plus.
Visant à désengorger les tribunaux, et notamment les audiences de comparution immédiate qui s'apparentent à une justice par trop expéditive, le plaider coupable sera négocié entre le procureur et le suspect, en présence de son avocat et en toute confidentialité. L'accord obtenu sur la peine, qui pourra aller jusqu'à 6 mois de prison ferme, devra être validé par un juge du siège. Inspirée du système américain, cette procédure devrait accentuer le caractère de plus en plus négocié de la justice : en France, comme dans d'autres pays occidentaux, il s'agit désormais moins de rendre solennellement la justice que de gérer le flux des affaires.
Cécile Prieur
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Hostilité des organisations professionnelles
Le projet de loi de Dominique Perben suscite l'hostilité de la quasi-totalité des organisations professionnelles. Une quinzaine d'associations ou de syndicats de gauche, dont le Syndicat de la magistrature, le Syndicat des avo-cats de France, la Ligue des droits de l'homme, le syndicat d'éducateurs SNPES-PJJ/FSU ainsi que la CGT-Police et la CGT-Pénitentiaire ont lancé un appel, lundi 7 avril, contre ce texte, dénonçant "le recul des droits de la défense et de la présomption d'innocence, l'accroissement infini des prérogatives policières et la marginalisation de la fonction de juger au profit d'un parquet tout puisssant". Dominique Barella, président de l'Union syndicale des magistrats (USM, modérée) s'est lui aussi déclaré "défavorable" à ce texte, estimant qu'il "est insuffisamment travaillé, non financé et laisse trop de place à des mesures d'affichage". Quant aux avocats (barreau de Paris, Conférence des bâtonniers et Conseil national des barreaux), ils ont exprimé leur opposition de principe au projet Perben, tout en se félicitant d'être parvenu à le faire amender dans un sens plus favorable aux droits de la défense.
∙ ARTICLE PARU DANS L'EDITION DU 10.04.03


#18 
истина! прохожий09.04.03 15:54
09.04.03 15:54 
in Antwort Agnitum 09.04.03 13:40
hademe kadrolarэnda emsaline muhassas aylэklardan fazla olduрu ve tahsisleri
usulь dairesinde yapэlmэю bulunduрu takdirde bunlarэn inhilallerine kadar tesvi-
yesine devam olunur.
Bu vakэflardaki fer'i cihet sahiplerinin almakta olduklarэ tahsisatda inhi-
lal vukuuna kadar bьtзeden tesviye olunur. Bankalarэn vefatэnda mьnhal kalacak
hizmetler hakkэnda diрer mazbut vakэflara ait hьkьmler tatbik edilir.
B - Vakfiyelerinde hizmet mukabili olmэyarak makam sahipleri hariз olmak
ьzere alakalэlara mukannen olarak tahsis edilmiю olup zapta kadar almakta olduk-
larэ aylэk ve yэllэklarэn zabэt sэrasэnda 6 ncэ madde mucibince tesbit edilecek
vasati gelirleri mьsait olan vakэflarda itasэna devam olunur.
C - Vakfiyelerinde masraf зэktэktan sonra kalacak fazladan alakalэlara tah-
sis edilen hisseler, aюaрэdaki madde uyarэnca tesbit edilecek fazla miktara gцre
tayin olunur.
Madde 6 - (Эptal: Danэюtay Dava Daireleri Kurulunun 30.6.1978 tarih ve K.
1978/433 S.K.ile iptal; Yeniden dьzenleme: 30.7.1987 - 87/12047 K.)
Vakfiyeleri gereрi intifa hakkэ almaya hak kazanan vakэf evladэ
veya ilgilisi bulunan mazbut vakэflarэn, gelir ve giderleri, ayrэ ayrэ, vakэfla-
rэ adэna tutulur. Akar ve Toprak satэю bedelleri, taviz bedelleri ve hayrat sa-
tэю bedellerine yьrьtьlen faizler ana paraya eklenerek deрerlendirilir ve Vakэf-
lar Meclisi kararэyla yatэrэma dцnьюtьrьlebilir.
Vakfiyesinde vakэf taюэnmazlarэn bakэm ve onarэm юartэ bulunan vakэflarэn
gayrisafi gelirlerinden, her yэl % 10 oranэnda ihtiyat akзesi ayrэlarak taюэn-
mazlarэn bakэm ve onarэmlarэ yapэlэr. Bu oran, vakэflarэn malvarlэрэna gцre, Va-
kэflar Meclisi kararэyla artэrэlabilir.
Vakэflarэn yэllэk gayrisafi gelir tahsilatэndan % 20 oranэnda yцnetim ve
temsil gideri karюэlэрэ alэnarak Vakэflar Genel Mьdьrlьрь bьtзesine gelir yazэ-
lэr.
Bu vakэflarэn gerзekleюen yэllэk gayrisafi gelir tahsilatэndan, vakэf iзin
yapэlan giderler ve vakfiye юartэ gereрi yapэlan her tьrlь harcamalar зэkarэl-
dэktan sonra vakэf evlatlarэna veya ilgililerine цdenecek intifa hakkэ belirle-
nir. Bu haklar, vakfэn gelir fazlasэnэn (intifa hakkэnэn) doрduрu mali yэlэ iz-
leyen ilk altэ ay iзinde vakэfэn evladэ veya ilgilisi olduрunu mali yэlэn birin-
ci ayэnda belgeleyenlere yэllэk olarak цdenir.
#19 
истина! прохожий09.04.03 15:57
09.04.03 15:57 
in Antwort Agnitum 09.04.03 13:40
Irak bizonyítékokat ígér fegyverzetéről

Tárik Aziz iraki miniszterelnök-helyettes olaszországi útján azt állította: Irak kész bizonyítékokat bemutatni arról, hogy már nem rendelkezik tömegpusztító fegyverekkel. Szaddám Huszein helyettese azt szeretné, ha a fegyverzetellenőrök folytatnák munkájukat.

Irak kész bizonyítékokat bemutatni arról, hogy már nem rendelkezik tömegpusztító fegyverekkel - közölte csütörtökön Rómában Tárik Aziz iraki miniszterelnök-helyettes. Szaddám Huszein legfőbb bizalmasát pénteken fogadja II. János Pál pápa.
Aziz kijelentette: Irak azt kéri a nemzetközi közösségtől, tegyen meg mindent, hogy a fegyverzetellenőrök folytathassák munkájukat a teljes igazság kiderítése érdekében. Szerinte az Egyesült Államok azért nem akar jelentőséget tulajdonítani az ellenőrök tevékenységének, mert mindenáron ki akarja terjeszteni hegemóniáját a térségre, ellenőrzése alá akarja vonni Irak olaját.

#20 
Agnitum местный житель09.04.03 16:10
09.04.03 16:10 
in Antwort истина! 09.04.03 15:49
Ну и каким боком франзуское сообщение к бомбам и террорисму относятся?
#21 
Agnitum местный житель09.04.03 16:12
09.04.03 16:12 
in Antwort истина! 09.04.03 15:57
Турецким не владею
#22 
Agnitum местный житель09.04.03 16:13
09.04.03 16:13 
in Antwort истина! 09.04.03 15:54
Ой ей ей. ТЫ хоть сам понайл, ШТО ТУТ? ПЕРЕВЕСТИ?
#23 
Shурик постоялец09.04.03 16:18
09.04.03 16:18 
in Antwort Agnitum 09.04.03 16:12
Это был венгерский!
(как в "Sendung mit der Maus")
#24 
истина! прохожий09.04.03 16:20
09.04.03 16:20 
in Antwort Agnitum 09.04.03 16:13
В ответ на:

Ой ей ей. ТЫ хоть сам понайл, ШТО ТУТ? ПЕРЕВЕСТИ?



Да ты и русским-то не владеешь!

#25 
истина! прохожий09.04.03 16:25
09.04.03 16:25 
in Antwort Shурик 09.04.03 16:18
А мне обидно-почему кто-то может таскать на этот форум мусор мегабайтами со всего интернета,а я тут притащил пару килобайт(больше не смог-паховая грыжа) и тут же на меня накинулись!
#26 
Agnitum местный житель09.04.03 16:39
09.04.03 16:39 
in Antwort истина! 09.04.03 16:20

#27 
Altwad свой человек09.04.03 17:27
Altwad
09.04.03 17:27 
in Antwort Agnitum 09.04.03 13:40
Ну и что??????
Первых строк перевести хватило, чтоб понять об чём речь, я это случай с самолетом прекрасно помню, и с южнокорейским тоже┘.
Но вы-ж сами об бомбах просили говорить? Где тут бомбы (бомба это то что с самолёта сбрасывают, не знаю как вы это понимаете).
Не делай сегодня то что можно сделать завтра, потому что завтра это может не понадобится.
#28 
Agnitum местный житель09.04.03 17:30
09.04.03 17:30 
in Antwort Altwad 09.04.03 17:27
Где тут бомбы
Окей я не верно выразился."бомбы ",было бы вернее.
#29 
Северянин завсегдатай09.04.03 18:04
09.04.03 18:04 
in Antwort Agnitum 09.04.03 17:30
Особенно мило в этом списке Кувейт выглядит. Вот сволочи эти американцы, не позволили Саддаму Кувейт осчастливить.
Говорил я Вам - нельзя в таком количестве Кара-Мурзу и газету Завтра читать.
#30 
Agnitum местный житель09.04.03 18:07
09.04.03 18:07 
in Antwort Северянин 09.04.03 18:04
Вначале ответде на поставленные мной вопросы и лишь потом - ерничайте.
#31 
Altwad свой человек10.04.03 06:59
Altwad
10.04.03 06:59 
in Antwort Agnitum 09.04.03 17:30
------ Где тут бомбы
Окей я не верно выразился."бомбы ",было бы вернее.
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Дорогой Дойсекс, после долгих трудов по копированию абсолютно (в подавляющем большинстве) неинформативных сайтов, у Вас улучшилась транслитация.
Поэтому, надеюсь понятно что бомба она и в Африке бомба, но какие бомбометания вы имеете в виду по Боингам на высоте 10 тыщ метров?
Бомба имеет свойство падать вниз, согласно закону всемирного тяготения.
Знаете про гравитацию? Это когда Ньютону яблоко на голову упала он его (закон этот) и придумал.
Но, это ладно, вас тут и про другие страны из вашего списка спрашивают, а вы молчите.
Я как человек ленивый, начал просто с первых строк вашего списка ╚стран подвергшимся американским бомбеметаниям╩, про Китай уж и не спрашивал, чтоб совсем вас в лужу не садить (т.к. ничего вы о нём не знаете).
Но про 2й номер по списку (Корею) мне просто по многим причинам интересно, в т.ч. и по личным.
Прошу вас (повторно) расскажите, что там амерыканцы разбомбили?
Не делай сегодня то что можно сделать завтра, потому что завтра это может не понадобится.
#32 
Agnitum местный житель10.04.03 08:13
10.04.03 08:13 
in Antwort Altwad 10.04.03 06:59
В ответ на:

------ Где тут бомбы
Окей я не верно выразился."бомбы ",было бы вернее.
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1 Дорогой Дойсекс,
после долгих трудов по копированию абсолютно (в подавляющем большинстве) неинформативных сайтов, у Вас улучшилась транслитация.
2 Поэтому, надеюсь понятно что бомба она и в Африке бомба, но какие бомбометания вы имеете в виду по Боингам на высоте 10 тыщ метров?
Бомба имеет свойство падать вниз, согласно закону всемирного тяготения.
Знаете про гравитацию? Это когда Ньютону яблоко на голову упала он его (закон этот) и придумал.
Но, это ладно, вас тут и про другие страны из вашего списка спрашивают, а вы молчите.
Я как человек ленивый, начал просто с первых строк вашего списка ╚стран подвергшимся американским бомбеметаниям╩, про Китай уж и не спрашивал, чтоб совсем вас в лужу не садить (т.к. ничего вы о н╦м не знаете).
Но про 2й номер по списку (Корею) мне просто по многим причинам интересно, в т.ч. и по личным.
Прошу вас (повторно) расскажите, что там амерыканцы разбомбили?


1 Дорогой Дойсекс - Это Вы о КОм?
2 Господин подневоЛьно ЧернобЫлский Ликвидатор,
Ваши познания в области физики поражают, особенно в легенде о ЯблО/У/А-Ке и голове. Даже слова такие как Гравитация помите, видимо в Касахстане(Сибири? ) не так уж плохо учат.
К сожалению вынужден вам сообщить, што, написав бобмы в ответ Вам без кавычек, заранее ход ВАших ___линейных мыслей знал на перед. ("Надеваю портупею и тупею и тупею" - Это не Про Вас, это к слов о Служащих Армии (американской) )
Далее, видимо Зрение у Вас не очеНь хорощее, или Вы не раличаете разницы между "бомбы" и бомбы. И посему в физику подались. Если Вы не понимаете, што автор саита и я имели в виду я так уж и быть - поясню. Речь шла о "наведении порядка" вояками <USA>.
И о лужах:
Пока што Вы и Почитатели Буша сами сидите в глубокой но не луже а ЖИже. Причем с каждым "выражением Своего Мнения" Вязкость Жыжы все боЛьше и боЛьше, поскольку Ни единого достойного "информативного" саита ВЫ - не предоставили. На все факты вы либо по-дестки Гигикаете, либо "говорите о своейм "наболевшем", но не в тему.
А фразу "Я как человек ленивый" говорите все Чаще и Чаще - этакая защита, "дескать доказатеЛьСтва есть, их тыщхи миллионов, я их видел, знаю А ВЫ сами ищите."
Нет уж Ликвидатор, Укажите "Промахи", посадите в Лужу меня.

В ответ на:

Но, это ладно, вас тут и про другие страны из вашего списка спрашивают, а вы молчите.


Кто? Ах Вы? Или кто-нить другой?

#33 
migdal_or знакомое лицо10.04.03 08:21
10.04.03 08:21 
in Antwort Agnitum 08.04.03 21:21
Без комментариев этот список мало чего говорит. Надо ли понимать так, что все поименованные в нём страны-оплот
демократии, расцвета свободы и народовластия, задушенные корыстолюбивым американским империализмом? Этот список, несомненно, выиграл бы в убедительности, если бы параллельно были указаны страны, в которых свободе был бы перекрыт кислород в братских объятиях СССР. Думаю, что он был бы подлиннеее.
#34 
Agnitum местный житель10.04.03 08:22
10.04.03 08:22 
in Antwort migdal_or 10.04.03 08:21
ок. Улучшим.
#35 
Agnitum местный житель10.04.03 08:41
10.04.03 08:41 
in Antwort Altwad 10.04.03 06:59
4 U
http://www.maxwell.af.mil/au/afhra/wwwroot/korean_war/korean_war_chronology/kwc_december1950.html
The U.S. Air Force's First War: Korea 1950-1953 Significant Events
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1950
December 1950
Pressured by overwhelming numbers of CCF troops, the U.S. Eighth Army withdrew from western North Korea. Far East Air Forces aided this withdrawal by a "reverse airlift" that allowed U.S. forces to take out most of their equipment and supplies. FEAF Combat Cargo Command airlifted food and ammunition to encircled elements of the X Corps and evacuated their sick and wounded troops. The X Corps' units concentrated at Hungnam, so that the UN forces could leave eastern North Korea by sea. By the end of the month, the UN line had fallen back to near the 38th parallel, and most of North Korea was back in communist hands.
Three USAF fighter groups withdrew from North to South Korea, reducing Fifth Air Force's ability to provide air support for both Eighth Army and X Corps at the same time. Nevertheless, effective Fifth Air Force attacks on Chinese Communist Forces forced them to abandon daytime movements. FEAF Bomber Command conducted almost daily B-29 raids against North Korean cities that served as enemy supply or communications centers, including Sinanju, Anju, Kanggye, Pyongyang, and Wonsan. Far East Air Forces embarked on a new interdiction plan that divided North Korea into ten zones. The zones made target destruction more systematic and allowed Far East Air Forces and U.S. Navy aviation to coordinate their missions better. FEAF F-86s and F-84s entered combat in North Korea to challenge communist MiG-15s flying from Manchurian sanctuaries.
The newly organized Boat Section of the 6160th Air Base Group (ABG) received one 104-foot boat, one sixty-three-foot boat, and two 24-footers, with which it conducted fifty-one search and rescue missions.
December 1: The USS Cape Esperance arrived in Japan with F-86 fighters of the 4th FIW. Fifth Air Force headquarters moved from Nagoya, Japan, to Seoul, South Korea, and its newly activated 314th Air Division assumed responsibility for the air defense of Japan. In the first prolonged MiG attack of the war, six MiG-15s engaged three B-29s for six minutes, damaging them considerably despite the F-80 escorts. FEAF Combat Cargo Command evacuated about 1,500 UN casualties from the Pyongyang area.
December 3: U.S. troops from the Changjin Reservoir area fought their way to Hagaru-ri, while a relief column from Hungnam fought its way toward them, reaching Koto-ri, about seven miles away. Communist troops prevented the two groups from linking and encircled them both, forcing them to rely on airlift for resupply.
December 4: MiG-15s shot down one of the three USAF Tornado reconnaissance aircraft in the theater, making the first successful jet bomber interception in airpower history.
December 5: UN forces abandoned Pyongyang, the North Korean capital, which they had held since October 19. Greek C-47s joined the FEAF Combat Cargo Command airlift to supply UN troops surrounded in northeastern Korea. The command evacuated 3,925 patients from Korea to Japan in the biggest day of the war for aeromedical airlift. Transports flew most of these from a frozen airstrip at Hagaru-ri. The U.S. Air Force suspended attacks on the Yalu River bridges, because enemy forces were crossing the frozen river on the ice.
December 6: The 27th Fighter Escort Wing (FEW), a Strategic Air Command unit from Bergstrom Air Force Base, Texas, began flying combat operations from Taegu, South Korea, introducing F-84 ThunderJet fighters to the war.
December 7: FEAF B-29s bombed North Korean towns in the Changjin Reservoir area to relieve enemy pressure on U.S. Marine and Army units attempting to break out from Hagaru-Ri and Koto-Ri. Troops in those two locations finally linked and built crude airstrips that allowed FEAF Combat Cargo Command airplanes to land food and ammunition and to evacuate casualties. Eight C-119s dropped bridge spans to the surrounded U.S. troops so that they could cross a 1,500-foot-deep gorge to break the enemy encirclement. This was the first air-dropped bridge in history of warfare.
December 10: A two-week FEAF Combat Cargo Command airlift for surrounded U.S. troops in northeastern Korea concluded after delivering 1,580 tons of supplies and equipment and moving almost 5,000 sick and wounded troops. Participating airlift units conducted 350 C-119 and C-47 flights.
December 11: The X Corps began loading on ships in Hungnam Harbor.
December 14: As Chinese forces approached, FEAF Combat Cargo Command began an aerial evacuation from Yonpo Airfield near Hamhung. A FEAF airplane dropped the first tarzon bomb to be used in Korea on a tunnel near Huichon, with limited effectiveness. The tarzon bomb was a six-ton version of the razon bomb, but generally it did not live up to expectations.
December 15: The 4 FIG inaugurated F-86 Sabrejet operations in Korea. FEAF Bomber Command launched its first mission in a new zone interdiction plan. ROK forces completed their withdrawal from Wonsan, North Korea, and the Eighth U.S. Army withdrew below the 38th parallel.
December 17: Lt. Col. Bruce H. Hinton, USAF, 4th FIG, scored the first F-86 aerial victory over a MiG-15 on the first day Sabres encountered communist jets. FEAF Combat Cargo Command abandoned Yonpo Airfield to communist forces, having transported in four days 228 patients, 3,891 other passengers, and 20,088 tons of cargo.
December 20: Twelve C-54s of the 61st TCG airlifted 806 South Korean orphans from Kimpo to Cheju-Do off the South Korean coast in Operation CHRISTMAS KIDLIFT.
December 22: One USN and five USAF pilots shot down six MiG-15s, the highest daily FEAF aerial victory credit total for the month, and the highest since June. A MiG-15 shot down an F-86 for the first time. Headquarters Fifth Air Force, Eighth U.S. Army in Korea headquarters, and the Joint Operations Center moved from Seoul to Taegu.
December 23: Three H-5 helicopter crews with fighter cover rescued eleven U.S. and twenty-four ROK soldiers from a field eight miles behind enemy lines. General Walker, Commander, Eighth U.S. Army, died in a vehicle accident north of Seoul.
December 24: X Corps completed the sea evacuation of Hungnam. More than 105,000 troops and 91,000 civilians had departed since the exodus began on December 11. USAF B-26s and U.S. Navy gunfire held the enemy at bay during the night as the last ships departed. The 3d ARS flew thirty-five liberated prisoners of war from enemy territory.
December 25: Chinese forces crossed the 38th parallel into South Korea.
December 26: Lt. Gen. Matthew B. Ridgway, USA, took command of the U.S. Eighth Army in Korea, as it absorbed X Corps.
December 29: From Taegu, RF-51 aircraft began flying tactical reconnaissance missions in Korea for the first time. They had longer ranges than their RF-80 predecessors.
December 31: Chinese Communist forces in Korea launched an offensive against UN troops south of the 38th parallel. General Ridgway ordered Eighth Army troops to a new defensive line seventy miles farther south.
January 1951
Early in January, the powerful new offensive by Chinese Communist and North Korean forces drove UN forces out of Seoul and nearby Kimpo and Suwon Airfields. The UN and communist ground forces fought a see-saw battle for the crossroads city of Wonju in north central South Korea. By mid-January, the enemy offensive had stalled on a line between Pyontaek on the west coast and Samchok on the east coast, partly because the UN Command retained air superiority over the front. By the end of the month, UN forces had launched a counter-offensive, forcing the enemy northward toward Seoul.
With the loss of Kimpo and Suwon Airfields, the U.S. Air Force moved most jet fighters to bases in Japan. From there, USAF F-86s did not have the range to reach the front easily, much less the MiG-infested skies of northwestern Korea. After almost two weeks out of combat, the Fifth Air Force returned some Sabres to Korea to test their capabilities in new missions of armed reconnaissance and close air support. These flew air to ground missions from Taegu, where F-80s and F-84s also continued to operate. communist jet fighters remained at their Yalu River bases and for the first nineteen days of January only occasionally challenged U.S. aircraft over North Korea. Lacking the range and air-to-ground weapons, enemy jets did not provide any air support for communist ground troops. Despite severe winter weather that sometimes curtailed sorties during January, Fifth Air Force conducted extremely destructive close air support missions for UN forces, killing or wounding an estimated 18,750 enemy troops. C-47s embarked on new roles-dropping flares in support of B-26 and F-82 night raids and serving as communications platforms to connect the Tactical Air Control Center, TACPs, and T-6 Mosquito airplanes.
FEAF Bomber Command raided enemy marshalling yards, airfields, and supply centers, dropping more than 6700 tons of bombs on over 720 sorties. Superfortress crews occasionally struck bridges with radio-guided bombs but largely avoided northwestern Korea, where they might have encountered scores of MiG-15s. In an air campaign intended to burn and destroy key North Korean cities, Bomber Command B-29s raided Pyongyang, the North Korean capital, with huge formations dropping incendiary bombs on the city. Targets of other major incendiary raids in North Korea included Hamhung, Kaesong, and Komusan. By the end of the month, FEAF Bomber Command, with a total force of about one hundred B-29s, was launching about twenty-four Superfortresses daily, rotating missions among the 19th, 98th, and 307th Bombardment Groups. The command also initiated B-29 night harassment attacks against North Korean cities during January.
Deprived of bases in the Seoul area, FEAF Combat Cargo Command could not easily respond to increased UN demands for airlift caused by rapid unit withdrawals and blocking of surface supply lines by heavy snow. Near the front lines, Eighth Army engineers bulldozed airstrips at Wonju and Chungju for the cargo landings, but Wonju fell into enemy hands, and frozen mud caused C-46 accidents at Chungju. The C-119s, which were too large to land at these airstrips, dropped supplies to UN forces in north central South Korea. Depending primarily on C-47 and C-119 airplanes, Combat Cargo Command delivered more than 14,000 tons of equipment and supplies; it also evacuated 10,000 combat casualties in South Korea during the first three weeks of January. Search and rescue units flew 452 missions, evacuating 112 critically wounded patients and rescuing sixteen soldiers from behind enemy lines. The Fifth Air Force's Boat Section conducted forty-two missions.
January 1952
The static, defensive-type ground warfare continued into January 1952. Meanwhile, UN warships and naval aircraft cooperated with Far East Air Forces in the interdiction of the enemy's supply network. The enemy countered UN air attacks with active air opposition and increasingly heavy antiaircraft fire. At Panmunjom, UN negotiators attempted to achieve an armistice; however communist intransigence, evasiveness, and procrastination thwarted their efforts.
Fifth Air Force tactical units directed most flights against railheads, communication lines, and highways over which the communists moved supplies and equipment to front-line positions. The fighter-bombers concentrated on rail-cutting missions but, when required, flew bombing, napalm, and rocket strikes in close support of Eighth Army ground forces. B-26 night intruders, aided by flare-dropping aircraft, directed attacks against enemy trucks, complimenting the daylight interdiction efforts of FEAF fighter-bombers. Other light bombers struck at enemy airfields, storage areas, rail junctions, and railroad rolling stock.
FEAF Bomber Command B-29s placed highest priority on North Korean airfields, which remained for the most part unusable. They also bombed marshalling yards, railroad by-pass bridges, and supply storage areas. The medium bomber aircrews used extreme caution to avoid bombing in the vicinity of reported POW camps. In addition, they flew nightly close air support missions, dropping 500-pound air fragmentation bombs over enemy troop concentrations.
Far East Air Forces flew numerous cargo, search and rescue, reconnaissance, and leaflet operations. The 315th AD airlifted 84,234 troops, 6,805 tons of cargo, and 2,041 medical evacuees. Search and rescue units flew 516 sorties. Helicopters evacuated 293 critically wounded patients from forward areas and rescued one pilot from behind enemy lines. C-47 and B-29 aircraft dropped psychological warfare leaflets to civilians and communist soldiers in enemy territory.
UN fighter sweeps provided protective aerial cover for fighter-bombers and inflicted costly losses on hostile MiG-15s, which made only sporadic attempts to interfere. During the month, UN pilots shot down thirty-two MiGs and damaged twenty-eight others. Although Far East Air Forces lost only five jets in aerial combat, it saw enemy ground fire destroy forty-four other aircraft. These had been engaged in low-level bombing runs and strafing sweeps.
February 1953
Ground activity along the front continued at a slow pace, characterized by patrol engagements and minor enemy probes. Intelligence revealed the enemy had built twelve new by-pass rail bridges. Fifth Air Force reconnaissance in the area immediately behind the enemy's front lines to some twenty miles to the rear gave very little evidence that the enemy was preparing to attack but did spot an influx of vehicles to replace those destroyed during weeks of FEAF attacks. Enemy antiaircraft weapons decreased to the lowest total since the end of 1951, but radar-controlled guns made up a greater proportion than ever.
MiGs frequently penetrated south of Chongchon then immediately withdrew when interceptors rose to meet them. They were possibly probing UN radar defenses and testing the scramble time of the Sabres. At a cost of two F-86s lost in air combat, the Sabre wings destroyed twenty-five MiG-15s.
Fifth Air Force and FEAF Bomber Command kept most North Korean airfields out of service. Most fighter-bomber interdiction strikes went against the enemy's transportation network, and Fifth Air Force claimed 2,850 vehicles destroyed in February. When transportation interdiction work was light, Fifth Air Force aircraft attacked hostile concentrations of troops and supplies.
Light bomber attacks against locomotives traveling at night continued in Operation SPOTLIGHT, which maintained locomotive kills at the same high level as in January. Likewise, similar roadblock tactics continued with flare support provided by the 6167th ABG during the dark phases of the moon.
Bomber Command scheduled B-29 attacks as irregularly as possible and planned missions against heavily defended targets during the dark of the moon. The B-29 aircrews varied altitudes, avoided contrail-forming altitudes, and employed electronic countermeasures with great success against hostile gun-laying and searchlight-director radar. The compressed bomber stream provided mutual protection for the bombers by much greater concentration of chaff and electronic jamming power in the critical target area.
Far East Air Forces gave top priority to C-124 fuel cell modifications, and the 22d TCS Globemasters, which had been grounded since the end of December, returned to duty. The 19th and 307th Bomb Wings provided personnel for a detachment at Itazuke AB, Japan, to provide an emergency facility for B-29s unable to return to their home base at Yokota, Japan, or Kadena, Okinawa, after a combat mission.
April 1953
In Panmunjon, communist and UN representatives negotiated details of POW repatriation. In Operation LITTLE SWITCH the adversaries exchanged seriously wounded and ill prisoners-6,670 Chinese and North Koreans for 471 South Koreans, 149 Americans, and sixty-four other UN personnel.
With the spring thaw, ground activity tapered off to small-scale probes and raids. Bomber Command B-29s and Fifth Air Force fighter-bombers coordinated attacks on railroad complexes to disrupt the flow of supplies from Manchuria to enemy forward areas. Later in April troop concentrations and supply areas became primary targets. MiG-15 activity remained sporadic, and UN pilots sighted only 1,622 MiGs. On the other hand, the enemy deployed between four and five hundred fighters, an abnormally large number, to two Chinese airfields near the Yalu River, within easy sight of UN counter-air patrols. FEAF intelligence officers interpreted their presence as an intentional display of defensive strength. Far East Air Forces initiated Project MOOLA in an attempt to acquire the latest communist jet aircraft. Anyone who delivered a MiG or other jet aircraft to UN forces in Korea would receive political asylum, resettlement in a non-communist country, anonymity, and $50,000. An additional $50,000 would go to the first person to take advantage of the offer. In September 1953, after the cease-fire, a North Korean MiG-15 pilot defected, flying his aircraft safely to Kimpo AB, South Korea.
June 1953
Although UN forces fiercely contested the enemy's continued assaults, they eventually yielded the Nevada outpost complex, possession of which would facilitate the communist offensive and provide leverage in the final stages of the armistice negotiations. The communist onslaught fell upon ROK and U.S. forces in the eastern and central sectors of the front rather than weaker positions in western Korea. To minimize its own losses, the UN Command elected not to counter attack, and the communists soon captured high ground despite heavy losses. The UN Command employed heavy artillery barrages and close air strikes that prevented the enemy from exploiting his gains, while the communists shifted their offensive to the ROK II Corps and USA X Corps forces holding the central sector. By mid-month the enemy had gained an average of 3,000 meters along a 13,000 meters front. After a six-day pause, the communist offensive resumed, targeting ROK forces almost exclusively, perhaps hoping to convince the South Korean government that continued fighting would be extremely costly. The final communist offensive coincided with the final stages of the armistice negotiations.
By mid-June both sides had agreed to the establishment of a Neutral Nations Repatriation Committee. The South Korean government, which was boycotting the truce conference over the repatriation issue, released 27,000 prisoners of war, disingenuously describing the event as a "mass escape." This action severely undermined the UN Command's negotiating ability. With communist delegates doubtful that South Korea would respect any armistice, truce negotiations stalled once again.
During most of June the UN Command directed its air power against communist forces attempting to penetrate the UN main line of resistance and against North Korean airfields near the Manchurian border. To quell the communist ground offensives, the UN employed medium bombers, light bombers, and fighter-bombers in close air support missions. Raids on enemy airfields sought to close them to reinforcements of modern jet aircraft that the Chinese Communists might fly into North Korea in days, or even hours, preceding the signing of an armistice. Far East Air Forces employed both B-29s and fighter-bombers to bomb the airfields, even striking nearby dams in an effort to flood the runways or otherwise render them unserviceable. USAF fighters continued their winning streak in MiG Alley. For unknown reasons the MiGs sought combat at altitudes below 40,000 feet, the Sabrejets most effective combat environment. As a consequence, the USAF pilots broke all previous records, sighting 1,268 MiGs, engaging 501, and destroying seventy-seven without suffering a single loss in air-to-air combat.
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http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/kilo/korean1950.htm
http://www.ask.ne.jp/~hankaku/english/np9y.html
Armed Conflict
Events Data

Korean War 1950-1953


State Entry Exit Combat Forces Population Losses
China 1950 1953 4000000 800000000 900000
North Korea 1950 1953 230000 15000000 1500000
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Korean War conflict that began in June 1950 between the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) and the Republic of Korea (South Korea), in which an estimated 3,000,000 persons lost their lives. The United Nations, with the United States as the principal participant, joined the war on the side of the South Koreans, and the People's Republic of China eventually came to North Korea's aid. After exceptional vicissitudes, the war was ended inconclusively in July 1953; it established a precedent for United States intervention to contain Communist expansion.
At the end of World War II, the Allies agreed that Soviet forces would accept the surrender of Japanese troops in Korea north of the 38th degree of latitude, while American troops would accept the Japanese surrender south of that line. In 1947, after the failure of negotiations to achieve the unification of the two separate Korean states that had thus been created, the United States turned the problem over to the United Nations. The Soviet Union refused to cooperate with UN plans to hold general elections in the two Koreas, and as a result, a Communist state was permanently established under Soviet auspices in the north and a pro-Western state was set up in the south. By 1949 both the United States and the Soviet Union had withdrawn the majority of their troops from the Korean Peninsula.
On June 25, 1950, the North Koreans, with the tacit approval of the Soviet Union, unleashed a carefully planned attack southward across the 38th parallel. The United Nations Security Council met in emergency session and passed a resolution calling for the assistance of all UN members in halting the North Korean invasion. (The Soviet delegate, who was absent from the Security Council in protest against the UN's failure to admit the People's Republic of China, was not present to veto the council's decision.) On June 27, U.S. president Harry S. Truman, without asking Congress to declare war, ordered United States forces to come to the assistance of South Korea as part of the UN "police action."
Meanwhile, the South Korean army was overwhelmed by the North Korean forces, and the four ill-equipped American divisions that had been rushed into the battle were driven all the way southward across the Korean Peninsula to a small area covering the approaches to Pusan, on the peninsula's southeastern tip. The American forces there were heavily reinforced, however, and then on September 15, troops commanded by General Douglas MacArthur made a daring amphibious landing at Inch'on (see photograph), about 100 miles (160 km) below the 38th parallel and on a line with Seoul, the South Korean capital. This brilliant landing far north of the main battlefront succeeded in cutting the North Korean forces' lines; the North Korean army was then totally shattered by the convergence of Allied forces from north and south, and more than 125,000 prisoners were captured by the Allies.
As the Allied forces now advanced northward back to the 38th parallel, the Chinese warned that the presence of UN forces in North Korea would be unacceptable to the security of the Chinese People's Republic and would force the Chinese to intervene in the war. UN forces, however, ignored the warnings and advanced into North Korea with the expressed intention of unifying the country. By mid-November the Allied forces were nearing the Yalu River, which marked the border between North Korea and Manchuria, the northeast part of China. The Chinese considered the approach of UN forces to the Yalu to be an unacceptable threat to Manchuria. On November 24 MacArthur announced his "Home by Christmas" offensive, in which his forces would boldly advance right up to the Yalu. The next day approximately 180,000 Chinese "volunteers" entered the war, and by December 15, after bitter winter fighting and a harrowing retreat, the Allied troops had been driven southward back to the 38th parallel. On Dec. 31, 1950, the Communists began their second invasion of South Korea with about 500,000 troops, but their attack soon faltered in the face of incessant Allied aerial bombing campaigns, and the front lines eventually stabilized along the 38th parallel.
Meanwhile, MacArthur was demanding the authority to blockade China's coastline and bomb its Manchurian bases. Truman refused, feeling that such a course would bring the Soviet Union into the war and thus lead to a global conflict. In response, MacArthur appealed over Truman's head directly to the American public in an effort to enlist support for his war aims. On April 11, 1951, President Truman relieved MacArthur as UN commander and as commander of U.S. forces in the Far East and replaced him with General Matthew B. Ridgway. On July 10, 1951, truce talks began while the North Koreans and Chinese vainly strove for further success on the battlefield. The negotiations dragged on for months, until after the U.S. presidential elections in the fall of 1952 and the victory of Dwight D. Eisenhower, who had criticized the unpopular war and announced his intention to visit Korea if elected. Eisenhower secretly informed the North Koreans and Chinese that he was prepared to use nuclear weapons and would also carry the war to China if a peace agreement was not reached. After a brief renewal of hostilities in June 1953, an armistice was concluded on July 27, and the front line was accepted as the de facto boundary between North and South Korea. The exchange and repatriation of prisoners soon followed.
The Korean War resulted in the deaths of about 1,300,000 South Koreans, many of whom were civilians; 1,000,000 Chinese; 500,000 North Koreans; and about 54,000 Americans, with much smaller numbers of British, Australian, and Turkish casualties on the Allied side. Several million Koreans temporarily became refugees, and much of South Korea's industrial plant was damaged, while North Korea was utterly devastated by American bombing campaigns.
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In early 1949, North Korea seemed to be on a war footing. Kim's New Year's speech was bellicose and excoriated South Korea as a puppet state. The army expanded rapidly, soldiers drilled in war maneuvers, and bond drives began to amass the necessary funds to purchase Soviet weaponry. The thirty-eighth parallel was fortified, and border incidents began breaking out. Neither Seoul nor P'yongyang recognized the parallel as a permanent legitimate boundary.
Although many aspects of the Korean War remained murky, it seemed that the beginning of conventional war in June 1950 was mainly Kim's decision, and that the key enabling factor was the existence of as many as 100,000 troops with battle experience in China. When the Rhee regime, with help from United States military advisers, severely reduced the guerrilla threat in the winter of 1949-50, the civil war moved into a conventional phase. Kim sought Stalin's backing for his assault, but documents from Soviet and Chinese sources suggested that he got more support from China.
Beginning on June 25, 1950, North Korean forces fought their way south through Seoul. South Korean resistance collapsed as the roads south of Seoul became blocked with refugees, who were fleeing North Korean columns spearheaded with tanks supplied by the Soviet Union. Task Force Smith, the first United States troops to enter the war, made a futile stand at Suwn, a town some thirty miles south of Seoul. Within a month of the start of the invasion, North Korean forces had seized all but a small corner of southeastern Korea anchored by the port city of Pusan. Repeated North Korean efforts, blunted by heavy United States Air Force bombing and stubborn resistance by the combined United States and South Korean forces on the Pusan perimeter, denied Kim Il Sung forceful reunification of the peninsula. The fortunes of war reversed abruptly in early September when General MacArthur boldly landed his forces at Inch'n, the port city for Seoul in west central Korea. This action severed the lines of communication and supply between the North Korean army and its base in the north. The army quickly collapsed, and combined United States and South Korean forces drove Kim Il Sung's units northward and into complete defeat.
The United States thrust in the fall of 1950, however, motivated China to bring its forces--the Chinese People's Volunteer Army--in on the northern side; these "volunteers" and the North Korean army pushed United States and South Korean forces out of North Korea within a month. Although the war lasted another two years, until the summer of 1953, the outcome of early 1951 was definitive: both a stalemate and a United States commitment to containment that accepted the de facto reality of two Koreas.
By the time the armistice was signed in 1953, North Korea had been devastated by three years of bombing attacks that had left almost no modern buildings standing. Both Koreas had watched as their country was ravaged and the expectations of 1945 were turned into a nightmare. Furthermore, when Kim's regime was nearly extinguished in the fall of 1950, the Soviet Union did very little to save it--China picked up the pieces.
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In the meantime, the communists had built a formidable political and military structure in North Korea under the aegis of the Soviet command. They had created a regional Five-Province Administrative Bureau in October 1945, which was reorganized into the North Korean Provisional People's Committee in February 1946 and shed the "Provisional" component of its name twelve months later. The communists also expanded and consolidated their party's strength by merging all of the left-wing groups into the North Korean Workers' Party in August 1946. Beginning in 1946, the armed forces also were organized and reinforced. Between 1946 and 1949, large numbers of North Korean youths--at least 10,000--were taken to the Soviet Union for military training. A draft was instituted, and in 1949 two divisions--40,000 troops--of the former Korean Volunteer Army in China, who had trained under the Chinese communists, and had participated in the Chinese civil war (1945-49), returned to North Korea.
By June 1950, North Korean forces numbered between 150,000 and 200,000 troops, organized into ten infantry divisions, one tank division, and one air force division. Soviet equipment, including automatic weapons of various types, T-34 tanks, and Yak fighter planes, had also been pouring into North Korea in early 1950. These forces were to fight the ill-equipped South Korean army of less than 100,000 men--an army lacking in tanks, heavy artillery, and combat airplanes, plus a coast guard of 4,000 men and a police force of 45,000 men.
The events following the June 1950 invasion proved the superiority of North Korean military forces and the soundness of their overall invasion strategy. South Korea's army was simply overwhelmed; Seoul fell within three days. By early August, South Korean forces were confined in the southeastern corner of the peninsula to a territory 140 kilometers long and 90 kilometers wide. The rest of the territory was completely in the hands of the North Korean army.
The only unforeseen event complicating North Korea's strategy was the swift decision by the United States to commit forces in support of South Korea. On June 26, 1950, Truman ordered the use of United States planes and naval vessels against North Korean forces, and on June 30 United States ground troops were dispatched. The United States, fearing that inaction in Korea would be interpreted as appeasement of communist aggression elsewhere in the world, was determined that South Korea should not be overwhelmed and asked the UN Security Council to intervene. When Douglas MacArthur, the commanding general of the United Nations forces in Korea, launched his amphibious attack and landed at Inch'on on September 15, the course of the war changed abruptly. Within weeks much of North Korea was taken by United States and South Korean forces before Chinese "volunteers" intervened in October, enabling North Korea to eventually restore its authority over its domain. The war lasted until July 27, 1953, when a cease-fire agreement was signed at P'anmunjom. By then, the war had involved China and the Soviet Union, which had dispatched air force divisions to Manchuria in support of North Korea and had furnished the Chinese and North Koreans with arms, tanks, military supplies, fuel, foodstuffs, and medicine. Fifteen member-nations of the United Nations had contributed armed forces and medical units to South Korea.
The war left indelible marks on the Korean Peninsula and the world surrounding it. The entire peninsula was reduced to rubble; casualties on both sides were enormous. The chances for peaceful unification had been remote even before 1950, but the war dashed all such hopes. Sizable numbers of South Koreans who either had been sympathetic or indifferent to communism before the war became avowed anticommunists afterwards. The war also intensified hostilities between the communist and noncommunist camps in the accelerating East-West arms race. Moreover, a large number of Chinese volunteer troops remained in North Korea until October 1958, and China began to play an increasingly important role in Korean affairs. Because tension on the Korean Peninsula remained high, the United States continued to station troops in South Korea, over the strenuous objections of North Korean leaders. The war also spurred Japan's industrial recovery and the United States' decision to rearm Japan.



#36 
Altwad старожил10.04.03 09:37
Altwad
10.04.03 09:37 
in Antwort Agnitum 10.04.03 08:22
Мегабайтами?????????
Не делай сегодня то что можно сделать завтра, потому что завтра это может не понадобится.
#37 
Altwad старожил10.04.03 09:37
Altwad
10.04.03 09:37 
in Antwort Agnitum 10.04.03 08:13

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1 Дорогой Дойсекс - Это Вы о КОм?
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Ну, если вам от этого полегчает, то признаю что дойсекс поинтелектуальней был, он просто сайты копировал, а агнитум и цитирует сообщения расположенные тут-же.
Спешу вас уведомить что экран и зрение мне позволяет это видеть.
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Вы не раличаете разницы между "бомбы" и бомбы
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По вашему написание слова БОМБЫ в кавычках делает её равнозначной словосочетанию "наведении порядка".
Ну тады я пас┘┘┘. Так глупомысленомыслять мы не могём.
Я рад что слова ╚ЯблО/У/А-Ке и голове╩ и ╚Гравитация╩ вызывают у вас определюнные ассоциации, осталось совсем немного поразмыслить (или отредактировать название ветки) чтоб понять что бомбой сбить самолёт невозможно.
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Ни единого достойного "информативного" саита ВЫ - не предоставили
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Мне и дойсекса с его беллетристикой хватает, имеются также ТВ и бум.издания.
Остальное можно просто флудом и пустомельством назвать.
Как оно насчёт Кореи √ то, потом и дальше по списку пойдём?
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А фразу "Я как человек ленивый" говорите все Чаще и Чаще
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вы автоподпись мою не видели?
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Нет уж Ликвидатор, Укажите "Промахи", посадите в Лужу меня.
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Как оно насчёт Кореи √ то, потом и дальше по списку пойдём?
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Кто? Ах Вы? Или кто-нить другой?
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В ответ Agnitum 9/4/03 17:30
Особенно мило в этом списке Кувейт выглядит. Вот сволочи эти американцы, не позволили Саддаму Кувейт осчастливить
Не делай сегодня то что можно сделать завтра, потому что завтра это может не понадобится.
#38 
Altwad старожил10.04.03 09:44
Altwad
10.04.03 09:44 
in Antwort Agnitum 10.04.03 08:41
Вот они ╚мегабайты╩ да ещё и пурпурные, ну ладно начинаю практиковаться в иностранных языках, а вы пока про конец света покопайте, глядишь так и хинди аль суахили выучим, тож польза.
Не делай сегодня то что можно сделать завтра, потому что завтра это может не понадобится.
#39 
Agnitum местный житель10.04.03 09:53
10.04.03 09:53 
in Antwort Altwad 10.04.03 09:37
В ответ на:

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Нет уж Ликвидатор, Укажите "Промахи", посадите в Лужу меня.
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Как оно насч╦т Кореи √ то, потом и дальше по списку пойд╦м?


см ссылки.

В ответ на:

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Вы не раличаете разницы между "бомбы" и бомбы
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По вашему написание слова БОМБЫ в кавычках делает е╦ равнозначной словосочетанию "наведении порядка".
Ну тады я пас┘┘┘. Так глупомысленомыслять мы не мог╦м.


Жаль што не можете. Смотрите Катрусин Кинозал дальше.

В ответ на:

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Кто? Ах Вы? Или кто-нить другой?
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В ответ Агнитум 9/4/03 17:30
Особенно мило в этом списке Кувейт выглядит. Вот сволочи эти американцы, не позволили Саддаму Кувейт осчастливить


Ах это был вопрос а не ирония

#40 
Agnitum местный житель10.04.03 09:55
10.04.03 09:55 
in Antwort Altwad 10.04.03 09:44
В ответ на:

Вот они ╚мегабайты╩ да ещё и пурпурные, ну ладно начинаю практиковаться в иностранных языках, а вы пока про конец света покопайте, глядишь так и хинди аль суахили выучим, тож польза.


Ирония не уместна. И не сравнивайте Хинди с Англ. языком. Не знаете - так и скажите. Или из-за лени напрягаться не охота?

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Agnitum местный житель10.04.03 10:16
10.04.03 10:16 
in Antwort Agnitum 08.04.03 21:21
Ever since the United States Army massacred 300 Lakotas in 1890, American forces have intervened elsewhere around the globe 100 times. Indeed the United States has sent troops abroad or militarily struck other countries▓ territory 216 times since independence from Britain. Since 1945 the United States has intervened in more than 20 countries throughout the world.
Since World War II, the United States actually dropped bombs on 23 countries. These include: China 1945-46, Korea 1950-53, China 1950-53, Guatemala 1954, Indonesia 1958, Cuba 1959-60, Guatemala 1960, Congo 1964, Peru 1965, Laos 1964-73, Vietnam 1961-73, Cambodia 1969-70, Guatemala 1967-69, Grenada 1983, Lebanon 1984, Libya 1986, El Salvador 1980s, Nicaragua 1980s, Panama 1989, Iraq 1991-1999, Sudan 1998, Afghanistan 1998, and Yugoslavia 1999.
Post World War II, the United States has also assisted in over 20 different coups throughout the world, and the CIA was responsible for half a dozen assassinations of political heads of state.
The following is a comprehensive summary of the imperialist strategy of the United States over the span of the past century:
Argentina - 1890 - Troops sent to Buenos Aires to protect business interests.
Chile - 1891 - Marines sent to Chile and clashed with nationalist rebels.
Haiti - 1891 - American troops suppress a revolt by Black workers on United States-claimed Navassa Island.
Hawaii - 1893 - Navy sent to Hawaii to overthrow the independent kingdom - Hawaii annexed by the United States.
Nicaragua - 1894 - Troops occupied Bluefields, a city on the Caribbean Sea, for a month.
China - 1894-95 - Navy, Army, and Marines landed during the Sino-Japanese War.
Korea - 1894-96 - Troops kept in Seoul during the war.
Panama - 1895 - Army, Navy, and Marines landed in the port city of Corinto.
China - 1894-1900 - Troops occupied China during the Boxer Rebellion.
Philippines - 1898-1910 - Navy and Army troops landed after the Philippines fell during the Spanish-American War; 600,000 Filipinos were killed.
Cuba - 1898-1902 - Troops seized Cuba in the Spanish-American War; the United States still maintains troops at Guantanamo Bay today.
Puerto Rico - 1898 - present - Troops seized Puerto Rico in the Spanish-American War and still occupy Puerto Rico today.
Nicaragua - 1898 - Marines landed at the port of San Juan del Sur.
Samoa - 1899 - Troops landed as a result over the battle for succession to the throne.
Panama - 1901-14 - Navy supported the revolution when Panama claimed independence from Colombia. American troops have occupied the Canal Zone since 1901 when construction for the canal began.
Honduras - 1903 - Marines landed to intervene during a revolution.
Dominican Rep 1903-04 - Troops landed to protect American interests during a revolution.
Korea - 1904-05 - Marines landed during the Russo-Japanese War.
Cuba - 1906-09 - Troops landed during an election.
Nicaragua - 1907 - Troops landed and a protectorate was set up.
Honduras - 1907 - Marines landed during Honduras▓ war with Nicaragua.
Panama - 1908 - Marines sent in during Panama▓s election.
Nicaragua - 1910 - Marines landed for a second time in Bluefields and Corinto.
Honduras - 1911 - Troops sent in to protect American interests during Honduras▓ civil war.
China - 1911-41 - Navy and troops sent to China during continuous flare-ups.
Cuba - 1912 - Troops sent in to protect American interests in Havana.
Panama - 1912 - Marines landed during Panama▓s election.
Honduras - 1912 - Troops sent in to protect American interests.
Nicaragua - 1912-33 - Troops occupied Nicaragua and fought guerrillas during its 20-year civil war.
Mexico - 1913 - Navy evacuated Americans during revolution.
Dominican Rep 1914 - Navy fought with rebels over Santo Domingo.
Mexico - 1914-18 - Navy and troops sent in to intervene against nationalists.
Haiti - 1914-34 - Troops occupied Haiti after a revolution and occupied Haiti for 19 years.
Dominican Rep 1916-24 - Marines occupied the Dominican Republic for eight years.
Cuba - 1917-33 - Troops landed and occupied Cuba for 16 years; Cuba became an economic protectorate.
World War I - 1917-18 - Navy and Army sent to Europe to fight the Axis powers.
Russia - 1918-22 - Navy and troops sent to eastern Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution; Army made five landings.
Honduras - 1919 - Marines sent during Honduras▓ national elections.
Guatemala - 1920 - Troops occupied Guatemala for two weeks during a union strike.
Turkey - 1922 - Troops fought nationalists in Smyrna.
China - 1922-27 - Navy and Army troops deployed during a nationalist revolt.
Honduras - 1924-25 - Troops landed twice during a national election.
Panama - 1925 - Troops sent in to put down a general strike.
China - 1927-34 - Marines sent in and stationed for seven years throughout China.
El Salvador - 1932 - Naval warships deployed during the FMLN revolt under Marti.
World War II - 1941-45 - Military fought the Axis powers: Japan, Germany, and Italy.
Yugoslavia - 1946 - Navy deployed off the coast of Yugoslavia in response to the downing of an American plane.
Uruguay - 1947 - Bombers deployed as a show of military force.
Greece - 1947-49 - United States operations insured a victory for the far right in national ⌠elections.■
Germany - 1948 - Military deployed in response to the Berlin blockade; the Berlin airlift lasts 444 days.
Philippines - 1948-54 - The CIA directed a civil war against the Filipino Huk revolt.
Puerto Rico - 1950 - Military helped crush an independence rebellion in Ponce.
Korean War - 1951-53 - Military sent in during the war.
Iran - 1953 - The CIA orchestrated the overthrow of democratically elected Mossadegh and restored the Shah to power.
Vietnam - 1954 - The United States offered weapons to the French in the battle against Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh.
Guatemala - 1954 - The CIA overthrew the democratically elected Arbenz and placed Colonel Armas in power.
Egypt - 1956 - Marines deployed to evacuate foreigners after Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal.
Lebanon - 1958 - Navy supported an Army occupation of Lebanon during its civil war.
Panama - 1958 - Troops landed after Panamanians demonstrations threatened the Canal Zone.
Vietnam - 1950s-75 - Vietnam War.
Cuba - 1961 - The CIA-directed Bay of Pigs invasions failed to overthrow the Castro government.
Cuba - 1962 - The Navy quarantines Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Laos - 1962 - Military occupied Laos during its civil war against the Pathet Lao guerrillas.
Panama - 1964 - Troops sent in and Panamanians shot while protesting the United States presence in the Canal Zone.
Indonesia - 1965 - The CIA orchestrated a military coup.
Dominican Rep- 1965-66 - Troops deployed during a national election.
Guatemala - 1966-67 - Green Berets sent in.
Cambodia - 1969-75 - Military sent in after the Vietnam War expanded into Cambodia.
Oman - 1970 - Marines landed to direct a possible invasion into Iran.
Laos - 1971-75 - Americans carpet-bomb the countryside during Laos▓ civil war.
Chile - 1973 - The CIA orchestrated a coup, killing President Allende who had been popularly elected. The CIA helped to establish a military regime under General Pinochet.
Cambodia - 1975 - Twenty-eight Americans killed in an effort to retrieve the crew of the Mayaquez, which had been seized.
Angola - 1976-92 - The CIA backed South African rebels fighting against Marxist Angola.
Iran - 1980 - Americans aborted a rescue attempt to liberate 52 hostages seized in the Teheran embassy.
Libya - 1981 - American fighters shoot down two Libyan fighters.
El Salvador - 1981-92 - The CIA, troops, and advisers aid in El Salvador▓s war against the FMLN.
Nicaragua - 1981-90 - The CIA and NSC directed the Contra War against the Sandinistas.
Lebanon - 1982-84 - Marines occupied Beirut during Lebanon▓s civil war; 241 were killed in the American barracks and Reagan ⌠redeployed■ the troops to the Mediterranean.
Honduras - 1983-89 - Troops sent in to build bases near the Honduran border.
Grenada - 1983-84 - American invasion overthrew the Maurice Bishop government.
Iran - 1984 - American fighters shot down two Iranian planes over the Persian Gulf.
Libya - 1986 - American fighters hit targets in and around the capital city of Tripoli.
Bolivia - 1986 - The Army assisted government troops on raids of cocaine areas.
Iran - 1987-88 - The United States intervened on the side of Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War.
Libya - 1989 - Navy shot down two more Libyan jets.
Virgin Islands - 1989 - Troops landed during unrest among Virgin Island peoples.
Philippines - 1989 - Air Force provided air cover for government during coup.
Panama - 1989-90 - 27,000 Americans landed in overthrow of President Noriega; over 2,000 Panama civilians were killed.
Liberia - 1990 - Troops entered Liberia to evacuate foreigners during civil war.
Saudi Arabia - 1990-91 - American troops sent to Saudi Arabia, which was a staging area in the war against Iraq.
Kuwait - 1991 - Troops sent into Kuwait to turn back Saddam Hussein.
Somalia - 1992-94 - Troops occupied Somalia during civil war.
Bosnia - 1993-95 - Air Force jets bombed ⌠no-fly zone■ during civil war in Yugoslavia.
Haiti - 1994-96 - American troops and Navy provided a blockade against Haiti▓s military government. The CIA restored Aristide to power.
Zaire - 1996-97 - Marines sent into Rwanda Hutus▓ refugee camps in the area where the Congo revolution began.
Albania - 1997 - Troops deployed during evacuation of foreigners.
Sudan - 1998 - American missiles destroyed a pharmaceutical complex where alleged nerve gas components were manufactured.
Afghanistan - 1998 - Missiles launched towards alleged Afghan terrorist training camps.
Yugoslavia - 1999 - Bombings and missile attacks carried out by the United States in conjunction with NATO in the 11 week war against Milosevic.
Iraq - 1998-2001 - Missiles launched into Baghdad and other large Iraq cities for four days. American jets enforced ⌠no-fly zone■ and continued to hit Iraqi targets since December 1998.
#42 
Altwad старожил10.04.03 10:49
Altwad
10.04.03 10:49 
in Antwort Agnitum 10.04.03 09:53
Ваши в ответы в виде копирования чужих постов нам знакомы, мож чёт новенького
Не делай сегодня то что можно сделать завтра, потому что завтра это может не понадобится.
#43 
Altwad старожил10.04.03 10:50
Altwad
10.04.03 10:50 
in Antwort Agnitum 10.04.03 09:55
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Не знаете - так и скажите. Или из-за лени напрягаться не охота?
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Неужель автоподпись смог прочесть?
Что √ ж вам сказать?
Трактовать слово бомбы как "наведении порядка", честно признаюсь не смогу.
До остального вам хоть до уровня дойсекса дорасти надо.
Не делай сегодня то что можно сделать завтра, потому что завтра это может не понадобится.
#44 
Agnitum местный житель10.04.03 12:39
10.04.03 12:39 
in Antwort Altwad 10.04.03 10:49
Кунак, Вы просили до-ква, я вам их запостил. Вопросы? Где вранье? Или снова в строну от затронутой вами темы уйдете? Где вранье про Корею?
#45 
Essener гость10.04.03 12:54
Essener
10.04.03 12:54 
in Antwort Agnitum 09.04.03 13:36
Уважаемый Товарищ!
Сразу извиняус, что отвечаю не на тво╦м родном языке (иврите).
После бурных излияний твоего необузданного интеллекта на английском и потуг написать что-нибудь на украинском я просто морально подавлен.
В ответ на эти тексты возникает только один вопрос: ну и что? Поделом им, всяким чурбанам!
Спи спокойно, дорогой товарищ! Израиль вряд ли продолжит этот список. (хотя в плане укрепления дружбы с арабами это соответствовало бы американским интересам).
#46 
Agnitum местный житель10.04.03 13:02
10.04.03 13:02 
in Antwort Essener 10.04.03 12:54
В ответ на:

Уважаемый Товарищ!


КумЕ та Вы що не знаете що таке оЦе ОГыдне Слово, Яке не подобство а ще ТрыЗуб соби як Видображення невидомо чого УзялЫ.
Щодо мовы украиськои - в мене "Усе путЕм"
А ось такый вымов
Сразу извиняус
характерызуе вас як Окрыпа Горбатого из видомог твору.

#47 
Altwad старожил10.04.03 13:16
Altwad
10.04.03 13:16 
in Antwort Agnitum 10.04.03 12:39

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Korean War - 1951-53 - Military sent in during the war.
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молодец, некоторые успехи делаете (хоть не на второе место поставил, предвидец вы наш!!!), ещё немножко постарайтесь, акромя пяти слов про Корею написать
Желательно отдельно про Северную и Южную.
Не делай сегодня то что можно сделать завтра, потому что завтра это может не понадобится.
#48 
scorpi_ скептик10.04.03 18:36
10.04.03 18:36 
in Antwort Agnitum 10.04.03 10:16
Germany - 1948 - Military deployed in response to the Berlin blockade; the Berlin airlift lasts 444 days.
Вот ведь стервецы то какие, не дали Берлинцам с голодухи коньки отбросить
#49 
Agnitum местный житель10.04.03 19:08
10.04.03 19:08 
in Antwort scorpi_ 10.04.03 18:36
Offtopic:Бездумные бомбежки союзниками Германии - отдельная история. Как и поведение британских и американских солдат.
#50 
Северянин завсегдатай10.04.03 19:11
10.04.03 19:11 
in Antwort scorpi_ 10.04.03 18:36
Обиднее всего в этом списке ИМХО южным корейцам. Строили бы сейчас под чутким руководством Кима светлое будущее с атомной бомбой. А так приходится каждый день рис есть - вот беда то.
#51 
Agnitum местный житель10.04.03 19:17
10.04.03 19:17 
in Antwort Северянин 10.04.03 19:11
Что?? Опять??? Реплики и 0 фактов? Или на большее силенок нет?
#52 
Северянин завсегдатай10.04.03 19:18
10.04.03 19:18 
in Antwort Agnitum 10.04.03 19:08
А вы спросите немцев, которые при окупации жили. Поведение американской армии и советской. Как они сравнивают, не слышали?
#53 
Agnitum местный житель10.04.03 19:22
10.04.03 19:22 
in Antwort Северянин 10.04.03 19:18
В ответ на:

А вы спросите немцев, которые при окупации жили. Поведение американской армии и советской. Как они сравнивают, не слышали?


Я не спрашивал, я читал: Зверствовали все.
А вот один из участников форума спрашивал: и ответы немцев совподают с тем што я читал: Серия статей в <GEO, Spiegel>

#54 
Северянин завсегдатай10.04.03 19:28
10.04.03 19:28 
in Antwort Agnitum 10.04.03 19:17
Какие факты вам нужны? Что вы хотите услышать? Что американцы не воевали в Корее? Что они не освобождали Кувейт? Не кормили берлинцев ?
Никто же не спорит. Воевали, освобождали, кормили. Я со всеми приведенными вами фактами согласен. Да и глупо возражать.
И во Вьетнаме они воевали и в Камбодже. Там неудачно. Как вы думаете, камбоджийцы рады, что американцы у них неудачно воевали?
#55 
scorpi_ скептик10.04.03 19:41
10.04.03 19:41 
in Antwort Agnitum 10.04.03 19:22
Насчёт зверств РККА http://militera.lib.ru/bio/toliver_constable/13.html
#56 
scorpi_ скептик10.04.03 19:46
10.04.03 19:46 
in Antwort Agnitum 10.04.03 19:08
Это Вы Rosinenbomben имеете ввиду? В 1948 вроде других не было
#57 
Ален постоялец10.04.03 20:03
Ален
10.04.03 20:03 
in Antwort Северянин 10.04.03 19:28
Наверное,наш милый копировальщик чужих мыслей хотел сказать,что американцы должны были с северокорейскими,иракскими и прочими бандитами и диктаторами бороться не с помощью бомбардировок,а исключительно с помощью гневных резолюций ООН.
Ничто не ценится так дорого и не обходится так дёшево,как вежливость.
#58 
Аlex свой человек10.04.03 20:05
Аlex
10.04.03 20:05 
in Antwort Ален 10.04.03 20:03
Интересно что буш с израильскими бандитами делать будет.
Lieber am Busen der Nаtur als am Arsch der Welt ;)
Art. 5 Abs. 1 GG:Jeder hat das Recht, seine Meinung in Wort, Schrift und Bild frei zu äußern und zu verbreiten
#59 
Северянин завсегдатай10.04.03 20:10
10.04.03 20:10 
in Antwort Ален 10.04.03 20:03
Кстати, в Корее они не просто воевали по резолюции ООН. С официальной точки зрения там воевали не американцы, а воиска ООН (на 90% состоящие из американцев).
#60 
Agnitum местный житель11.04.03 06:12
11.04.03 06:12 
in Antwort Северянин 10.04.03 20:10
В ответ на:

Кстати, в Корее они не просто воевали по резолюции ООН.


...Про что идет речь в запостенной мною инфо.

#61 
Agnitum местный житель11.04.03 06:16
11.04.03 06:16 
in Antwort Северянин 10.04.03 19:28
Для начала потрудитесь на пост про "корабли и самолеты/ ответить, а то Вы так технично "забыли" про него. Касаемо кореи - тут один ликвидатор пытался меня во лжи уличить: безрезультатно как оказалось на практике
#62 
Agnitum местный житель11.04.03 06:21
11.04.03 06:21 
in Antwort Ален 10.04.03 20:03
В ответ на:

Наверное,наш милый копировальщик чужих мыслей хотел сказать,что американцы должны были с северокорейскими,иракскими и прочими бандитами ..


Господин, тут речь идет о "праве сильного", который делает, что ему вздумаеться и раз в 4 года якобы порядок наводит.

#63 
Altwad старожил11.04.03 07:10
Altwad
11.04.03 07:10 
in Antwort Agnitum 10.04.03 19:17
В ответ на:

Реплики и 0 фактов


Ну хоть пяток слов ещё (ваших) об Корее ?????
Или на большее силенок нет?

Не делай сегодня то что можно сделать завтра, потому что завтра это может не понадобится.

#64 
Agnitum местный житель11.04.03 07:26
11.04.03 07:26 
in Antwort Altwad 11.04.03 07:10
В ответ на:

Ну хоть пяток слов ещё (ваших) об Корее ?????
Или на большее силенок нет?


Факты главное , факты: Где же обещанные ваши разоблаченя моей лжи о корее, Или это метод такой под дурака косить, забывая намеренно о чем речь?

#65 
Altwad старожил11.04.03 07:44
Altwad
11.04.03 07:44 
in Antwort Agnitum 11.04.03 07:26
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Где же обещанные ваши разоблаченя моей лжи о корее,
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дак вы бы хоть написали бы┘┘.. а то и разоблачать нечего, акромя луж.
Ну где хоть пяток слов ещё (ваших) об Корее
Или это метод такой под дурака косить, забывая намеренно о чем речь?[\b]
Не делай сегодня то что можно сделать завтра, потому что завтра это может не понадобится.
#66 
Agnitum местный житель11.04.03 07:59
11.04.03 07:59 
in Antwort Altwad 11.04.03 07:44
Что как попугай повторяете? Вы - разоблачайте: речь не о моих словах была
#67 
Altwad старожил11.04.03 08:13
Altwad
11.04.03 08:13 
in Antwort Agnitum 11.04.03 07:59
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'Что как попугай повторяете? Вы - разоблачайте:
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Ну напишите┘┘.. пжалуста┘┘.. ещё хоть пять слов!!!!
Шоб разоблачать то┘┘
Не делай сегодня то что можно сделать завтра, потому что завтра это может не понадобится.
#68 
Agnitum местный житель11.04.03 08:52
11.04.03 08:52 
in Antwort Altwad 11.04.03 08:13
В ответ на:

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ьЧто как попугай повторяете? Вы - разоблачайте:
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Ну напишите┘┘.. пжалуста┘┘.. ещ╦ хоть пять слов!!!!
Шоб разоблачать то┘┘


Только что вновь перечитал мои ответы вам и вашы - мне:
По существу от вас ответов не получил, одни лишь пустопорожние слова, свидетельствующие о вашем не знании и пойтке свести дискуссию в русло попугайничания.
Вывод: " Не спорь с дураком иначе люди не смогут заметить меж спорящими разницы"
Жду разоблачений. Чюс.

#69 
Altwad старожил11.04.03 10:35
Altwad
11.04.03 10:35 
in Antwort Agnitum 11.04.03 08:52
Только что вновь перечитал мои ответы вам и вашы - мне:
По существу от вас ответов не получил, одни лишь пустопорожние слова, свидетельствующие о вашем не знании и пойтке свести дискуссию в русло попугайничания.
Вывод: " Не спорь с дураком иначе люди не смогут заметить меж спорящими разницы"
Жду разоблачений. Пишете┘.
Не делай сегодня то что можно сделать завтра, потому что завтра это может не понадобится.
#70 
Agnitum местный житель11.04.03 10:36
11.04.03 10:36 
in Antwort Altwad 11.04.03 10:35
Last time.
Agnitum
(old hand)
11/4/03 08:52
Re: List of countries the USA has bombed
В ответ Altwad 11/4/03 08:13
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В ответ на:
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ьЧто как попугай повторяете? Вы - разоблачайте:
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Ну напишите┘┘.. пжалуста┘┘.. ещё хоть пять слов!!!!
Шоб разоблачать то┘┘
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Только что вновь перечитал мои ответы вам и вашы - мне:
По существу от вас ответов не получил, одни лишь пустопорожние слова, свидетельствующие о вашем не знании и пойтке свести дискуссию в русло попугайничания.
Вывод: " Не спорь с дураком иначе люди не смогут заметить меж спорящими разницы"
Жду разоблачений. Чюс.


#71 
Altwad старожил11.04.03 11:03
Altwad
11.04.03 11:03 
in Antwort Agnitum 11.04.03 10:36
Re: List of countries the USA has bombed
В ответ Agnitum 11/4/03 08:52

Только что вновь перечитал мои ответы вам и вашы - мне:
По существу от вас ответов не получил, одни лишь пустопорожние слова, свидетельствующие о вашем не знании и пойтке свести дискуссию в русло попугайничания.
Вывод: " Не спорь с дураком иначе люди не смогут заметить меж спорящими разницы"
Жду разоблачений. Пишете┘.
Не делай сегодня то что можно сделать завтра, потому что завтра это может не понадобится.
#72 
Agnitum местный житель11.04.03 11:10
11.04.03 11:10 
in Antwort Altwad 11.04.03 11:03
Re: List of countries the USA has bombed
В ответ Altwad 11/4/03 08:13
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В ответ на:
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ьЧто как попугай повторяете? Вы - разоблачайте:
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Ну напишите┘┘.. пжалуста┘┘.. ещё хоть пять слов!!!!
Шоб разоблачать то┘┘
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Только что вновь перечитал мои ответы вам и вашы - мне:
По существу от вас ответов не получил, одни лишь пустопорожние слова, свидетельствующие о вашем не знании и пойтке свести дискуссию в русло попугайничания.
Вывод: " Не спорь с дураком иначе люди не смогут заметить меж спорящими разницы"
Жду разоблачений. Чюс.
#73 
Северянин завсегдатай11.04.03 15:57
11.04.03 15:57 
in Antwort Agnitum 11.04.03 06:16
А чего там отвечать ? Вы же ничего не спрашивали? Вы высказали свою точку зрения, я свою.
#74 
Westfallen2003 знакомое лицо11.04.03 17:55
Westfallen2003
11.04.03 17:55 
in Antwort Agnitum 11.04.03 11:10
Алтвада не песреспориш!
Они-такие казахские парни из Чернобыля!
#75 
Agnitum местный житель11.04.03 17:58
11.04.03 17:58 
in Antwort Westfallen2003 11.04.03 17:55
уже не спорю
#76 
Altwad старожил12.04.03 10:07
Altwad
12.04.03 10:07 
in Antwort Agnitum 11.04.03 17:58
Дойсекс, вам бы ещё глаза, ну┘ хоть чтоб знаки препинания видеть смогли (эт из др. ветки), про логику уж молчу┘┘.., ну и когда север от юга отличать смогёшь тада и эта, а пока выдавай желаемое за действительное.
Не делай сегодня то что можно сделать завтра, потому что завтра это может не понадобится.
#77 
Altwad старожил12.04.03 10:08
Altwad
12.04.03 10:08 
in Antwort Westfallen2003 11.04.03 17:55
Значить тоже запишем, очередной постулат (имени Westfallen2003 ) ╚ если чернобыль, значит казахи╩
Не делай сегодня то что можно сделать завтра, потому что завтра это может не понадобится.
#78 
Agnitum местный житель12.04.03 10:19
12.04.03 10:19 
in Antwort Westfallen2003 11.04.03 17:55
я всё больше убеждаюсь что народная мудрость на таких алтах и вадах подтвержается
#79 
Westfallen2003 знакомое лицо12.04.03 21:47
Westfallen2003
12.04.03 21:47 
in Antwort Altwad 12.04.03 10:08
Мдя.....
#80 
Аlex свой человек12.04.03 21:48
Аlex
12.04.03 21:48 
in Antwort Altwad 12.04.03 10:08
Ага - степной хохол :)))
Lieber am Busen der Nаtur als am Arsch der Welt ;)
Art. 5 Abs. 1 GG:Jeder hat das Recht, seine Meinung in Wort, Schrift und Bild frei zu äußern und zu verbreiten
#81 
Agnitum местный житель12.04.03 21:54
12.04.03 21:54 
in Antwort Аlex 12.04.03 21:48
грешно смеятся над болеющими людьми, которым север и юг да еще и дойсекс мерещатся
#82 
Аlex свой человек12.04.03 21:57
Аlex
12.04.03 21:57 
in Antwort Agnitum 12.04.03 21:54
Мне можно, я ему земляк - с соседнего города, был
Lieber am Busen der Nаtur als am Arsch der Welt ;)
Art. 5 Abs. 1 GG:Jeder hat das Recht, seine Meinung in Wort, Schrift und Bild frei zu äußern und zu verbreiten
#83 
Kelly2003 старожил12.04.03 22:15
Kelly2003
12.04.03 22:15 
in Antwort Westfallen2003 11.04.03 17:55
А с ним тебе спорит и не надо,,,
Born to run FREE,,,,
Кино, Вино и Домино Kino, Vino i Domino
#84 
Westfallen2003 знакомое лицо12.04.03 23:33
Westfallen2003
12.04.03 23:33 
in Antwort Kelly2003 12.04.03 22:15
и то правда....
о ч╦м с убогим спорит то можно.....
#85 
Kelly2003 старожил12.04.03 23:35
Kelly2003
12.04.03 23:35 
in Antwort Westfallen2003 12.04.03 23:33
Все у тебя убогие,,, а кого ты уба#аещ??Алекса??поздравляу...
Born to run FREE,,,,
Кино, Вино и Домино Kino, Vino i Domino
#86 
Agnitum местный житель13.04.03 09:02
13.04.03 09:02 
in Antwort Северянин 10.04.03 20:10
что то долго рождали вы идею создания альтернативного списка. СССР уж нет а угроза от США - реальна
#87 
Altwad старожил13.04.03 09:07
Altwad
13.04.03 09:07 
in Antwort Аlex 12.04.03 21:48
Ещё один постулатотворец!!!
Не делай сегодня то что можно сделать завтра, потому что завтра это может не понадобится.
#88 
Agnitum местный житель13.04.03 13:33
13.04.03 13:33 
in Antwort Аlex 12.04.03 21:48
звучит прям как про чак норриса
|Lex salus populi suprema
#89 
Westfallen2003 знакомое лицо13.04.03 17:35
Westfallen2003
13.04.03 17:35 
in Antwort Kelly2003 12.04.03 23:35
Все у тебя убогие,,,
покажи где я на написал о всех?
а кого ты уба#аещ
Келли, в русском языке нет глагола "убажат", может поясниш что ты имела ввиду..
#90 
Agnitum местный житель14.04.03 13:33
14.04.03 13:33 
in Antwort Westfallen2003 13.04.03 17:35
В ответ на:

Все у тебя убогие,,,


Поправка: не все а только те, кто против
|Lex salus populi suprema

#91 
Agnitum свой человек21.04.03 11:35
21.04.03 11:35 
in Antwort Agnitum 08.04.03 21:21
http:////free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/ChronologyofTerror.html
Chronology of
American State Terrorism
|Lex salus populi suprema
#92 
Kelly2003 старожил22.04.03 00:57
Kelly2003
22.04.03 00:57 
in Antwort Westfallen2003 13.04.03 17:35
если тебе трудно читат мои постинги, то самое лучшее их не читат!!!
My way or a highway,,,
Кино, Вино и Домино Kino, Vino i Domino
#93 
Westfallen2003 знакомое лицо22.04.03 15:09
Westfallen2003
22.04.03 15:09 
in Antwort Kelly2003 22.04.03 00:57
Gut..
#94 
Agnitum свой человек25.04.03 07:40
25.04.03 07:40 
in Antwort Kelly2003 22.04.03 00:57

|Lex salus populi suprema
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