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11.04.03 07:22
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Давеча, Мущщщина соизволил выложить ссылки, о еоторых я его просил. В обмен ему хотелось увидеть интервью с якобы не сущесвующим шпионящим инспектором. Про интервью речь шла тут
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http://www.izvestia.ru/world/article26972
Работа UNSCOM при Экеусе и его преемнике австралийце Ричарде Батлере закончилась в 1998 году высылкой инспекторов из Ирака, власти которого обвинили ряд сотрудников миссии в шпионаже в пользу США и Израиля. Этот скандал повлиял на решение делегаций РФ и Франции в Совете Безопасности ООН отклонить кандидатуру Экеуса, как "человека, слишком тесно связанного с прежним режимом инспекций". В итоге был принят запасной "вариант Бликса",
http://www.rol.ru/news/misc/news/02/10/23_002.htm
http://www.strana.ru/stories/02/02/13/2494/161855.html
23 октября 2002 г.
Один из бывших международных инспекторов, работавших некогда в Ираке, признался журналистам в шпионаже в пользу Пентагона. Речь идет об одном из инспекторов ЮНСКОМ - структуры, предшествовавшей Комиссии по наблюдению, контролю и инспекциям ООН (ЮНМОВИК).
Сам инспектор благополучно находится ныне в США. Этот человек, о котором сообщается лишь то, что он - американец и работал в Ираке с 1996 по 1998 год, признал в интервью, что собирал информацию для Пентагона.
"Занимался ли я тем, что в ходе выполнения официальных обязанностей брал на заметку все то, что помогло бы моей стране победить в каком-либо военном конфликте с Ираком? Конечно, я это делал",- заявил он.
По его словам, собранная информация была использована военным ведомством США для подготовки списка возможных целей при ударах по Ираку. "Я выяснил, что за люди продали свои души, удерживая Саддама у власти, - продолжил он. - Таких надо находить и убивать, это лучший способ, и моей задачей было повсюду находить их".
Сведения о шпионаже членов ЮНСКОМ в пользу США появлялись в мировой печати и раньше. Деятельность "лже-инспекторов" стала одним из поводов для сворачивания сотрудничества Багдада с международным сообществом.
Представитель ЮНМОВИК Бьюкенен во вторник не подтвердил данных об этом случае, но отметил, что если такое действительно имело место, то это было "злоупотреблением в рамках операции ООН, и однозначно ООН не желала бы повторения чего-либо подобного".
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Затем Мущщщина, ссылаясь на Дрезднера подверг сомнению наличие такового инспектора.
Кроме того, один из источников инфо утверждал , что НЕ было никакого шпионажа, что были саддамовы голословные утверждения.
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http://www.fair.org/activism/unscom-history.html
видимо это имел в виду Д. говоря о тутфте, но инфо обновляется>
ACTION ALERT:
Spying in Iraq: From Fact to Allegation
September 24, 2002
...
Suddenly, facts that their own correspondents confirmed three years ago in interviews with top US officials are being recycled as mere allegations coming from Saddam Hussein▓s regime.
...
). FAIR is a US media watch group advocating for greater diversity in the press and scrutinising media practices that marginalise public interest, minority and dissenting viewpoints
___________________________________________
После поиска интервью и не одно, нашлось. Иное дело что инфо в снговских СМИ имеет различия по сравнению с найденной мной. Возможно, не того инспектора в виду имели. Публикации в основном собраны примерно в том же временном интервале, что ипубликация в FAIR . Читайте сами:
1 не шпионил...
http://www.cnn.com/COMMUNITY/transcripts/scott_ritter_chat.html
Scott Ritter
A chat with the author of 'Endgame: Solving the Iraq Problem -- Once and For All'
(CNN) -- When Scott Ritter resigned as chief weapons inspector for the United Nations in August 1998, the news made headlines. Ritter claimed that both the U.N. Security Council and the U.S. government had fatally undermined his team's attempts to locate and eliminate Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.
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Chat Participant: Why do you deny the spy charge?
Scott Ritter: Because I was not a spy. Iraq was holding on to information and material, which it was not permitted to do. The weapons inspection process allowed the inspectors to take whatever actions required to gain access to this information and material. As long as our work was governed by the mandate given to us by the Security Council, there is no way we can be accused of committing espionage. However, when the work of the inspection team stops being concerned with the disarmament of Iraq, and becomes, instead, entangled with other policies such as the removal of Saddam Hussein -- which are not supported by the Security Council -- then the charges of espionage begin to stick. One of the reasons I resigned from my position in August of 1998, was that I did not want to be part of such a process, that is, to be part of committing espionage under the guise of the United Nations.
...
Chat Participant: What's your opinion of UNSCOM executive chairman Richard Butler?
Scott Ritter: Richard Butler and I got along very well during the time that I worked for him. He is not an evil man. He is a good man. But he has faults, and, unfortunately, some of these faults adversely affected the way in which he managed the work of the Special Commission. I think history will judge Richard Butler in a mixed fashion. Respectful of his real desire to further the work of disarmament, but critical of his inability to hold back those influences which sought to pervert the noble cause which he was charged to defend, that is, the disarmament of Iraq vs. the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.
Chat Participant: Do you think the last bombing offensive, "Desert Fox," was an appropriate course of action?
Scott Ritter: I believe Desert Fox was the most ill-defined, ill thought out action in the history of American-Iraqi relations. It was completely counter-productive, its focus was not the disarmament of Iraq, but rather the destabilization of Saddam Hussein. It did not achieve its goals, but it did achieve the destruction of the United Nations weapons inspection team and process. Desert Fox further alienated the United States in the region, and has exposed the reality that this administration has no policy on Iraq. Desert Fox, rather than weakening Saddam Hussein, only weakened the United States, and in fact, has furthered the position of Saddam Hussein in the region and internationally. It was an abject failure.
------------------------обвинен в шпионаже
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,351165,00.htmll
Exclusive: Scott Ritter in His Own Words
The former weapons inspector explains his switch from getting up Saddam's nose to picking fights with Bush
By MASSIMO CALABRESI
Saturday, Sep. 14, 2002
Scott Ritter was the UN's top weapons inspector in Iraq until 1998, when he resigned claiming President Clinton was too easy on Saddam. Now he says the dictator doesn't seem to have weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and that trying to oust Saddam is "extremely dangerous." TIME's Massimo Calabresi asked the voluble former marine about his recent private trip to Baghdad, Jane Fonda, and accusations he's a spy for Israel, Iraq or Russia.
Are you being investigated for espionage?
I've been called a spy of Israel since 1996, and since I made my documentary film in 2000 the FBI has investigated me as an agent of Iraq. The FBI has also opened up an investigation into my wife calling her a KGB spy. So there is this form of harassment taking place.
Did you write a report, at the time you were doing inspections in Votkinsk in the Soviet Union in 1988 that said the group your wife worked for was full of spies?
No. I indicated that given past models of Soviet penetration techniques that these young girls, of which my wife was one, who were brought in by the Soviets to carry out translation services had been used in the past to attempt sexual compromise. I subsequently wrote a series of reports that said this did not appear to be the case in Votkinsk. In fact, because of the human intelligence work I did in the Soviet Union I was able to ascertain that the girls were actually dissatisfied with the Soviets. They showed a tendency to speak out against the KGB to the U.S. inspectors.
...
Did you get any spying done on your trip?
Haha. Did I spy on Iraq my most recent trip? I wasn't there to collect intelligence on Iraq. To be frank, I didn't see barricades in the streets or earthen berms being erected or fortifications underway. I did see a lot of troops in the streets and I saw that Iraq had beefed up their air defense in the capital. I saw that they were moving these air defense units frequently to avoid a strike. But I wasn't there to carry out a full canvas of Iraq's military capabilities.
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http://www.time.com/time/pow/article/0,8599,350809,00.html
Friday, Sep. 13, 2002
Questioned about Ritter's assertion that the White House has no basis for its warnings about Iraq, Secretary of State Colin Powell politely pointed out that Ritter had been out of the intelligence chain for quite some time. What Powell didn't say, though, was that four years ago, when Ritter was on the ground, he appeared to be saying something a lot closer to what the Bush administration claims today: "I think the danger right now is that without effective inspections, without effective monitoring, Iraq can in a very short period of time measured in months, reconstitute chemical and biological weapons, long-range ballistic missiles to deliver these weapons, and even certain aspects of their nuclear weaponization program," he told PBS's Newshour in August 1998, shortly after his expulsion. He went on to argue that the only effective way to ensure Iraqi compliance with inspections was to threaten military action.
But Ritter's assessment of Iraqi capability appears to have changed dramatically in the years since his departure. In a recent op ed in the Boston Globe, for example, Ritter claims that most of Iraq's chemical and biological weapons would have degraded over the past decade and that "effective monitoring inspections, fully implemented from 1994-1998 without any significant obstruction from Iraq, never once detected any evidence of retained proscribed activity or effort by Iraq to reconstitute that capability which had been eliminated through inspections."
....
So what's up with Scott Ritter? How did he go from the very personification of U.S. determination to hold Saddam Hussein to the agreements signed at the end of the Gulf War to a vocal and committed critic of the U.S. government's efforts to oust the Iraqi leader? There are no clear answers. Ritter has never lacked for personal courage, nor for outrage
Ritter maintains he's been consistent all along, simply demanding strict adherence to the facts and the law, whether that be in demanding that Iraq submit to inspections or in challenging the case being made by the Bush administration for "regime change." But having taken to his new role as a peace activist with the same rock-jawed vehemence as he brought to his previous role as Saddam's accuser, he's likely to find himself in the coming weeks forced to deploy it once again in defense of his claims of consistency.
Давеча, Мущщщина соизволил выложить ссылки, о еоторых я его просил. В обмен ему хотелось увидеть интервью с якобы не сущесвующим шпионящим инспектором. Про интервью речь шла тут
______________________________________________________
http://www.izvestia.ru/world/article26972
Работа UNSCOM при Экеусе и его преемнике австралийце Ричарде Батлере закончилась в 1998 году высылкой инспекторов из Ирака, власти которого обвинили ряд сотрудников миссии в шпионаже в пользу США и Израиля. Этот скандал повлиял на решение делегаций РФ и Франции в Совете Безопасности ООН отклонить кандидатуру Экеуса, как "человека, слишком тесно связанного с прежним режимом инспекций". В итоге был принят запасной "вариант Бликса",
http://www.rol.ru/news/misc/news/02/10/23_002.htm
http://www.strana.ru/stories/02/02/13/2494/161855.html
23 октября 2002 г.
Один из бывших международных инспекторов, работавших некогда в Ираке, признался журналистам в шпионаже в пользу Пентагона. Речь идет об одном из инспекторов ЮНСКОМ - структуры, предшествовавшей Комиссии по наблюдению, контролю и инспекциям ООН (ЮНМОВИК).
Сам инспектор благополучно находится ныне в США. Этот человек, о котором сообщается лишь то, что он - американец и работал в Ираке с 1996 по 1998 год, признал в интервью, что собирал информацию для Пентагона.
"Занимался ли я тем, что в ходе выполнения официальных обязанностей брал на заметку все то, что помогло бы моей стране победить в каком-либо военном конфликте с Ираком? Конечно, я это делал",- заявил он.
По его словам, собранная информация была использована военным ведомством США для подготовки списка возможных целей при ударах по Ираку. "Я выяснил, что за люди продали свои души, удерживая Саддама у власти, - продолжил он. - Таких надо находить и убивать, это лучший способ, и моей задачей было повсюду находить их".
Сведения о шпионаже членов ЮНСКОМ в пользу США появлялись в мировой печати и раньше. Деятельность "лже-инспекторов" стала одним из поводов для сворачивания сотрудничества Багдада с международным сообществом.
Представитель ЮНМОВИК Бьюкенен во вторник не подтвердил данных об этом случае, но отметил, что если такое действительно имело место, то это было "злоупотреблением в рамках операции ООН, и однозначно ООН не желала бы повторения чего-либо подобного".
.............................................................................
Затем Мущщщина, ссылаясь на Дрезднера подверг сомнению наличие такового инспектора.
Кроме того, один из источников инфо утверждал , что НЕ было никакого шпионажа, что были саддамовы голословные утверждения.
_______________________________________________
http://www.fair.org/activism/unscom-history.html
видимо это имел в виду Д. говоря о тутфте, но инфо обновляется>
ACTION ALERT:
Spying in Iraq: From Fact to Allegation
September 24, 2002
...
Suddenly, facts that their own correspondents confirmed three years ago in interviews with top US officials are being recycled as mere allegations coming from Saddam Hussein▓s regime.
...
). FAIR is a US media watch group advocating for greater diversity in the press and scrutinising media practices that marginalise public interest, minority and dissenting viewpoints
___________________________________________
После поиска интервью и не одно, нашлось. Иное дело что инфо в снговских СМИ имеет различия по сравнению с найденной мной. Возможно, не того инспектора в виду имели. Публикации в основном собраны примерно в том же временном интервале, что ипубликация в FAIR . Читайте сами:
1 не шпионил...
http://www.cnn.com/COMMUNITY/transcripts/scott_ritter_chat.html
Scott Ritter
A chat with the author of 'Endgame: Solving the Iraq Problem -- Once and For All'
(CNN) -- When Scott Ritter resigned as chief weapons inspector for the United Nations in August 1998, the news made headlines. Ritter claimed that both the U.N. Security Council and the U.S. government had fatally undermined his team's attempts to locate and eliminate Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.
....
Chat Participant: Why do you deny the spy charge?
Scott Ritter: Because I was not a spy. Iraq was holding on to information and material, which it was not permitted to do. The weapons inspection process allowed the inspectors to take whatever actions required to gain access to this information and material. As long as our work was governed by the mandate given to us by the Security Council, there is no way we can be accused of committing espionage. However, when the work of the inspection team stops being concerned with the disarmament of Iraq, and becomes, instead, entangled with other policies such as the removal of Saddam Hussein -- which are not supported by the Security Council -- then the charges of espionage begin to stick. One of the reasons I resigned from my position in August of 1998, was that I did not want to be part of such a process, that is, to be part of committing espionage under the guise of the United Nations.
...
Chat Participant: What's your opinion of UNSCOM executive chairman Richard Butler?
Scott Ritter: Richard Butler and I got along very well during the time that I worked for him. He is not an evil man. He is a good man. But he has faults, and, unfortunately, some of these faults adversely affected the way in which he managed the work of the Special Commission. I think history will judge Richard Butler in a mixed fashion. Respectful of his real desire to further the work of disarmament, but critical of his inability to hold back those influences which sought to pervert the noble cause which he was charged to defend, that is, the disarmament of Iraq vs. the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.
Chat Participant: Do you think the last bombing offensive, "Desert Fox," was an appropriate course of action?
Scott Ritter: I believe Desert Fox was the most ill-defined, ill thought out action in the history of American-Iraqi relations. It was completely counter-productive, its focus was not the disarmament of Iraq, but rather the destabilization of Saddam Hussein. It did not achieve its goals, but it did achieve the destruction of the United Nations weapons inspection team and process. Desert Fox further alienated the United States in the region, and has exposed the reality that this administration has no policy on Iraq. Desert Fox, rather than weakening Saddam Hussein, only weakened the United States, and in fact, has furthered the position of Saddam Hussein in the region and internationally. It was an abject failure.
------------------------обвинен в шпионаже
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,351165,00.htmll
Exclusive: Scott Ritter in His Own Words
The former weapons inspector explains his switch from getting up Saddam's nose to picking fights with Bush
By MASSIMO CALABRESI
Saturday, Sep. 14, 2002
Scott Ritter was the UN's top weapons inspector in Iraq until 1998, when he resigned claiming President Clinton was too easy on Saddam. Now he says the dictator doesn't seem to have weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and that trying to oust Saddam is "extremely dangerous." TIME's Massimo Calabresi asked the voluble former marine about his recent private trip to Baghdad, Jane Fonda, and accusations he's a spy for Israel, Iraq or Russia.
Are you being investigated for espionage?
I've been called a spy of Israel since 1996, and since I made my documentary film in 2000 the FBI has investigated me as an agent of Iraq. The FBI has also opened up an investigation into my wife calling her a KGB spy. So there is this form of harassment taking place.
Did you write a report, at the time you were doing inspections in Votkinsk in the Soviet Union in 1988 that said the group your wife worked for was full of spies?
No. I indicated that given past models of Soviet penetration techniques that these young girls, of which my wife was one, who were brought in by the Soviets to carry out translation services had been used in the past to attempt sexual compromise. I subsequently wrote a series of reports that said this did not appear to be the case in Votkinsk. In fact, because of the human intelligence work I did in the Soviet Union I was able to ascertain that the girls were actually dissatisfied with the Soviets. They showed a tendency to speak out against the KGB to the U.S. inspectors.
...
Did you get any spying done on your trip?
Haha. Did I spy on Iraq my most recent trip? I wasn't there to collect intelligence on Iraq. To be frank, I didn't see barricades in the streets or earthen berms being erected or fortifications underway. I did see a lot of troops in the streets and I saw that Iraq had beefed up their air defense in the capital. I saw that they were moving these air defense units frequently to avoid a strike. But I wasn't there to carry out a full canvas of Iraq's military capabilities.
---------------------
http://www.time.com/time/pow/article/0,8599,350809,00.html
Friday, Sep. 13, 2002
Questioned about Ritter's assertion that the White House has no basis for its warnings about Iraq, Secretary of State Colin Powell politely pointed out that Ritter had been out of the intelligence chain for quite some time. What Powell didn't say, though, was that four years ago, when Ritter was on the ground, he appeared to be saying something a lot closer to what the Bush administration claims today: "I think the danger right now is that without effective inspections, without effective monitoring, Iraq can in a very short period of time measured in months, reconstitute chemical and biological weapons, long-range ballistic missiles to deliver these weapons, and even certain aspects of their nuclear weaponization program," he told PBS's Newshour in August 1998, shortly after his expulsion. He went on to argue that the only effective way to ensure Iraqi compliance with inspections was to threaten military action.
But Ritter's assessment of Iraqi capability appears to have changed dramatically in the years since his departure. In a recent op ed in the Boston Globe, for example, Ritter claims that most of Iraq's chemical and biological weapons would have degraded over the past decade and that "effective monitoring inspections, fully implemented from 1994-1998 without any significant obstruction from Iraq, never once detected any evidence of retained proscribed activity or effort by Iraq to reconstitute that capability which had been eliminated through inspections."
....
So what's up with Scott Ritter? How did he go from the very personification of U.S. determination to hold Saddam Hussein to the agreements signed at the end of the Gulf War to a vocal and committed critic of the U.S. government's efforts to oust the Iraqi leader? There are no clear answers. Ritter has never lacked for personal courage, nor for outrage
Ritter maintains he's been consistent all along, simply demanding strict adherence to the facts and the law, whether that be in demanding that Iraq submit to inspections or in challenging the case being made by the Bush administration for "regime change." But having taken to his new role as a peace activist with the same rock-jawed vehemence as he brought to his previous role as Saddam's accuser, he's likely to find himself in the coming weeks forced to deploy it once again in defense of his claims of consistency.
23.04.03 12:30
в ответ Agnitum 23.04.03 08:33
Конечно шпионили!
Экономика Америки может позволить купить всех "самых неподкупных" , а основная масса инспекторов,думаю, только и искала возможность продаться да хорошо подработать благодаря служебному положению.
Там где большие деньги, там морали и нравственности места нет....
Да и быть американцем и не помочь своей стране - это безнравственно как раз!
Экономика Америки может позволить купить всех "самых неподкупных" , а основная масса инспекторов,думаю, только и искала возможность продаться да хорошо подработать благодаря служебному положению.
Там где большие деньги, там морали и нравственности места нет....
Да и быть американцем и не помочь своей стране - это безнравственно как раз!
